Slugger VS Boxer

Chisora did alright, Think Usyk is going to struggle with better heavyweights, he clearly has the skills but is lacking power at that weight.
 
Very impressive by Usyk in his first competitive heavyweight contest. It was his first real competitive fight for two years and he looked like had several more gears to go through. The main thing is he had no problems with Chisora's power which shows what had actually already been proven - he can take shots off much bigger men. Chisora was out on his feet in the 7th and Usyk would have got him out of there if he'd have stepped on the gas. But as he's settling into the division with a level of ring rust he used it as an education.

Usyk will now go after all the belts and the major thing in his favour is that's he's beat much better fighters overall than both Fury and Joshua have faced. Usyk would be easily capable of wearing Joshua down and giving him a mental beat down and his footwork is too good for Fury. People say Usyk doesn't hit hard but it's a bit more complicated than that. If that's true, why did Chisora (who can take a shot) start to back off when he was getting caught? Usyk's game is all about scoring good quality shots and he's not one for chasing KOs.
 
JustTheGent said:
Very impressive by Usyk in his first competitive heavyweight contest. It was his first real competitive fight for two years and he looked like had several more gears to go through. The main thing is he had no problems with Chisora's power which shows what had actually already been proven - he can take shots off much bigger men. Chisora was out on his feet in the 7th and Usyk would have got him out of there if he'd have stepped on the gas. But as he's settling into the division with a level of ring rust he used it as an education.

Usyk will now go after all the belts and the major thing in his favour is that's he's beat much better fighters overall than both Fury and Joshua have faced. Usyk would be easily capable of wearing Joshua down and giving him a mental beat down and his footwork is too good for Fury. People say Usyk doesn't hit hard but it's a bit more complicated than that. If that's true, why did Chisora (who can take a shot) start to back off when he was getting caught? Usyk's game is all about scoring good quality shots and he's not one for chasing KOs.
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Crazy talk. Usyk is decent and I like him but Joshua and Fury will both best him comfortably.
 
lostinyorkshire said:
Crazy talk. Usyk is decent and I like him but Joshua and Fury will both best him comfortably.
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You'll be surprised - all the casuals are asleep on Usyk. They expect him to be knocking people out when that isn't his game. Just look at his record at Cruiserweight. He was in with big punchers at Cruiserweight and simply outboxes them. If you think Usyk will just stand still and eat Fury's jab - you're spectacularly mistaken. His movement will cause both Fury and Joshua all sorts of trouble. If anyone has ever fought in a ring they'll understand this. Because Usyk has such good footwork he's hard to hit with clean shots. Boxers have to set themselves to get their shots off. If they don't, they regularly fail to hit the target and quickly get tired - this is especially relevant in the heavyweight division. Fury and Joshua both like to largely stand still and edge forwards or backwards. Fury moves well against big cumbersome fighters, but he's not in the same league in terms of movement as someone like Usyk.
 
JustTheGent said:
You'll be surprised - all the casuals are asleep on Usyk. They expect him to be knocking people out when that isn't his game. Just look at his record at Cruiserweight. He was in with big punchers at Cruiserweight and simply outboxes them. If you think Usyk will just stand still and eat Fury's jab - you're spectacularly mistaken. His movement will cause both Fury and Joshua all sorts of trouble. If anyone has ever fought in a ring they'll understand this. Because Usyk has such good footwork he's hard to hit with clean shots. Boxers have to set themselves to get their shots off. If they don't, they regularly fail to hit the target and quickly get tired - this is especially relevant in the heavyweight division. Fury and Joshua both like to largely stand still and edge forwards or backwards. Fury moves well against big cumbersome fighters, but he's not in the same league in terms of movement as someone like Usyk.
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I’m not sure how usyk gets in to range vs fury when fury has good footwork himself. I’m not sure he runs rings around fury

interesting fight if it’s AJ. Aj proved he can at least move in the 2nd ruiz fight
 
On another note I see Naoya 'Monster' Inoue keeps his unbeaten record with a stoppage vs Jason Moloney
This was supposed to be a big test for Inoue, but he controlled and then took down Moloney at will.

Been following him for a couple of years now and he is a very exciting fighter, with destructive capability in either hand.
 
JustTheGent said:
You'll be surprised - all the casuals are asleep on Usyk. They expect him to be knocking people out when that isn't his game. Just look at his record at Cruiserweight. He was in with big punchers at Cruiserweight and simply outboxes them. If you think Usyk will just stand still and eat Fury's jab - you're spectacularly mistaken. His movement will cause both Fury and Joshua all sorts of trouble. If anyone has ever fought in a ring they'll understand this. Because Usyk has such good footwork he's hard to hit with clean shots. Boxers have to set themselves to get their shots off. If they don't, they regularly fail to hit the target and quickly get tired - this is especially relevant in the heavyweight division. Fury and Joshua both like to largely stand still and edge forwards or backwards. Fury moves well against big cumbersome fighters, but he's not in the same league in terms of movement as someone like Usyk.
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Of course Fury or AJ are going to find it difficult to pin Usyk down.

But obviously Fury / AJ have more reach than Usyk, and Usyk will have to step into their reach to get at them. They will catch him at some point, how ‘clean’ is the big question.

Also, how problematic will Usyks power be for AJ or Fury? Arguably not enough.

And how problematic will Fury’s or AJs power be for Usyk?

Likelihood is, Usyks power really won’t bother Fury much at all, and AJs power will really bother Usyk. Anything could happen.

Also, JTG, you make references to ‘casuals’, did you used to box?
 
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parnabyscrosses said:
Nothing worse than a bloke who thinks he knows everything about boxing and uses the term 'casuals' for people who don't have the same opinions.
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I only saw that first line, pretty much sums the guy up. Never bothered reading on, I never read anything he posts anyway. I don't know why people still give him the courtesy of taking him seriously, he's got a reputation for talking total twaddle and being a compulsive liar. Probably works in CEX, reeking of BO and showing off to 15 year olds. 😴😴
 
GazC_MFC said:
I’m not sure how usyk gets in to range vs fury when fury has good footwork himself. I’m not sure he runs rings around fury

interesting fight if it’s AJ. Aj proved he can at least move in the 2nd ruiz fight
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It's a logical way to think but if you really analyse it in detail you can come to a different conclusion. Take Fury's movement for instance, it's extremely good for his size. This gives him a distinct advantage against other big men. He's bigger than them and can move better than them. But in terms of movement he is nowhere near on the same level as Usyk. Most of Fury's reputation as a mover is in a defensive manner. He's never looked that good moving forwards apart from against Wilder. But it must be noted that Wilder is terrible moving backwards. He's unbalanced and uncoordinated which meant his only weapon was effectively taken away from him. Fury's tactics were spot on. But if he attempts to walk Usyk down he'll get schooled.

Joshua will be a more dangerous fight for Usyk as he can get off heavy combinations close up. But the caveat to this is AJ has dodgy stamina. Usyk moves for every second of every round and it will be interesting to see what tactics AJ adopts. Neither Fury or AJ are as relentless as Chisora. They can't just keep coming forward as they'll gas out quickly. With regards to Usyk stopping either. He'd have more chance of doing so with AJ but it all depends on how he would look to capitalise. He's not known for looking for KOs and prefers to box, he's certainly not a greedy fighter either. But if he can hurt Chisora he can certainly hurt Fury and AJ. He's capable of both wearing them out with movement and hitting them with accurate heavy shots. Fury has been on the canvas from lesser punchers than Usyk and AJ isn't that durable. If Usyk keeps hitting AJ it will cause him problems.
 
parnabyscrosses said:
Nothing worse than a bloke who thinks he knows everything about boxing and uses the term 'casuals' for people who don't have the same opinions.
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But if they say casuals it obviously means they know loads about boxing.

Myfooty
JustTheGent said:
It's a logical way to think but if you really analyse it in detail you can come to a different conclusion. Take Fury's movement for instance, it's extremely good for his size. This gives him a distinct advantage against other big men. He's bigger than them and can move better than them. But in terms of movement he is nowhere near on the same level as Usyk. Most of Fury's reputation as a mover is in a defensive manner. He's never looked that good moving forwards apart from against Wilder. But it must be noted that Wilder is terrible moving backwards. He's unbalanced and uncoordinated which meant his only weapon was effectively taken away from him. Fury's tactics were spot on. But if he attempts to walk Usyk down he'll get schooled.

Joshua will be a more dangerous fight for Usyk as he can get off heavy combinations close up. But the caveat to this is AJ has dodgy stamina. Usyk moves for every second of every round and it will be interesting to see what tactics AJ adopts. Neither Fury or AJ are as relentless as Chisora. They can't just keep coming forward as they'll gas out quickly. With regards to Usyk stopping either. He'd have more chance of doing so with AJ but it all depends on how he would look to capitalise. He's not known for looking for KOs and prefers to box, he's certainly not a greedy fighter either. But if he can hurt Chisora he can certainly hurt Fury and AJ. He's capable of both wearing them out with movement and hitting them with accurate heavy shots. Fury has been on the canvas from lesser punchers than Usyk and AJ isn't that durable. If Usyk keeps hitting AJ it will cause him problems.
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So who do you think would win the if Usyk fought Fury or AJ?

I reckon both Fury and AJ would beat Usyk.
 
I know the question wasn't to me but my take on it is that...

Fury wins - Usyk does not have the power to trouble him or a monopoly on boxing smarts. Fury has an excellent boxing brain and could keep Usyk at arms length all night - why should he even want to chase Usyk down - he is a proven heavyweight and can dictate how the fight unfolds.

AJ is a different fight, he is powerful and has some movement but can be stiff footed and does gas out if pushed hard. If he can land his shots then I feel he could take Usyk out, but with the far superior movement of Usyk, AJ may find him a difficult target to hit.
 
Scubahood said:
I only saw that first line, pretty much sums the guy up. Never bothered reading on, I never read anything he posts anyway. I don't know why people still give him the courtesy of taking him seriously, he's got a reputation for talking total twaddle and being a compulsive liar. Probably works in CEX, reeking of BO and showing off to 15 year olds. 😴😴
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Didn't realize it was Expo's name on this board otherwise I wouldn't have replied!
 
JustTheGent said:
It's a logical way to think but if you really analyse it in detail you can come to a different conclusion. Take Fury's movement for instance, it's extremely good for his size. This gives him a distinct advantage against other big men. He's bigger than them and can move better than them. But in terms of movement he is nowhere near on the same level as Usyk. Most of Fury's reputation as a mover is in a defensive manner. He's never looked that good moving forwards apart from against Wilder. But it must be noted that Wilder is terrible moving backwards. He's unbalanced and uncoordinated which meant his only weapon was effectively taken away from him. Fury's tactics were spot on. But if he attempts to walk Usyk down he'll get schooled.

Joshua will be a more dangerous fight for Usyk as he can get off heavy combinations close up. But the caveat to this is AJ has dodgy stamina. Usyk moves for every second of every round and it will be interesting to see what tactics AJ adopts. Neither Fury or AJ are as relentless as Chisora. They can't just keep coming forward as they'll gas out quickly. With regards to Usyk stopping either. He'd have more chance of doing so with AJ but it all depends on how he would look to capitalise. He's not known for looking for KOs and prefers to box, he's certainly not a greedy fighter either. But if he can hurt Chisora he can certainly hurt Fury and AJ. He's capable of both wearing them out with movement and hitting them with accurate heavy shots. Fury has been on the canvas from lesser punchers than Usyk and AJ isn't that durable. If Usyk keeps hitting AJ it will cause him problems.
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When has fury attempted to walk his opponent down. Wilder 2? Usyk will have to be the aggressor if they fight otherwise fury operates behind his height advantage. Usyk coming forward will suit fury
 
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