Should Chiellini have been sent off for the foul on Saka?

Heam44

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I’m saying yes! Although I don’t think it was 100% clear cut sending off.

Personally I think it was serious foul play. L If he had pulled him back by holding his shirt on the arm or mid/ lower back I’d have said it was a yellow but because of the force used and the fact he he had hold of the neck of his shirt I think it was serious foul play.

I’ve copied and posted the below with regards to the rules on sending off offences.


A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
  • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
  • denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
  • serious foul play
  • biting or spitting at someone
  • violent conduct
  • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
  • receiving a second caution in the same match
  • entering the video operation room (VOR)
A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area.

DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.

A player, sent-off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee's permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence

The following must be considered:
  • distance between the offence and the goal
  • general direction of the play
  • likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
  • location and number of defenders
SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
 
I guess if someone grabbed you two handed from behind and dragged t you to the floor in a pub or would be assault. So maybe violent conduct. Serious foul play... Maybe.

The truth is it was an extreme pull back on the shirt so was only yellow.

It's hardly the way we want to see the game played though its it?
 
My gut was "no" and yellow card. Think I still think that way after seeing it loads of times after. If Saka was in the middle of the pitch then it might have been a different outcome but too much to do from the wing...players would have caught up to him in my opinion.
 
I guess if someone grabbed you two handed from behind and dragged t you to the floor in a pub or would be assault. So maybe violent conduct. Serious foul play... Maybe.

The truth is it was an extreme pull back on the shirt so was only yellow.

It's hardly the way we want to see the game played though its it?
Yeah I think violent conduct could apply also:

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball
 
Yeah was great, just needed the result to top it off!
Nah you didn't. You have a wife now, much better than a trophy you will never hold in your hands.
Best of luck to the 4 of you. May life give you most of what you all want.
 
No chance, shirt pull on the half way line near the touchline. Admittedly he won’t win any fair play awards for it, but is it much different to tripping a player as they are about to run on goal? Taking one for the team, Clayton has made a career of it.
If it wasn’t for the strength and size difference between the players it wouldn’t have looked half as bad.
 
My gut was "no" and yellow card. Think I still think that way after seeing it loads of times after. If Saka was in the middle of the pitch then it might have been a different outcome but too much to do from the wing...players would have caught up to him in my opinion.
Yeah I don’t think he could have been sent off for:

DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY

because:

The distance between the offence and the goal, also because of the location and number of players.
 
Not a chance it’s a red card I’m afraid. It was a cynical foul near halfway on the touch line so nowhere near the goal where it may have been more serious.

it was a lesson in “taking one for the team”.
 
I did say on the original thread. Had I been the referee I would have looked for any excuse to send chiellini off. The next foul he committed he would have been off for a second yellow.
 
Sadly, seriously assaulting a shirt isn't a red card offence and as he didnt prevent a clear goal scoring opportunity nonred card.

Anyway congrats Heam. Sure it was a great day.
 
It wasn't a clear goal scoring opportunity so it was a booking, professional foul. Holding onto a shirt isn't violent conduct....
Yeah definitely was a clear goal scoring opportunity but I’d say it was more than holding onto a shirt, I think either of the below could apply,

Serious foul play: A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Violent conduct: Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
 
No chance, shirt pull on the half way line near the touchline. Admittedly he won’t win any fair play awards for it, but is it much different to tripping a player as they are about to run on goal? Taking one for the team, Clayton has made a career of it.
If it wasn’t for the strength and size difference between the players it wouldn’t have looked half as bad.
Not a chance it’s a red card I’m afraid. It was a cynical foul near halfway on the touch line so nowhere near the goal where it may have been more serious.

it was a lesson in “taking one for the team”.
Sadly, seriously assaulting a shirt isn't a red card offence and as he didnt prevent a clear goal scoring opportunity nonred card.

Anyway congrats Heam. Sure it was a great day.
Yeah definitely wasn’t denying a goal scoring opportunity but I think either of serious foul play or violent conduct is relevant simply because of the force used and the fact that he grabbed him by the neck of his shirt as opposed to the sleeve or lower back etc.


Serious foul play: A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Violent conduct: Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

Yous not think the parts highlighted in bold are an accurate description of the tackle?

I’d say dragging someone to the floor by the neck of their shirt endangers their safety.

Also I’d describe it as excessive force when not challenging for the ball.
 
actually Chellini did commit two offences at the same time.

1. Chellini prevented the opposing player from escaping his tackle
2. Chellini violently threw the player to the ground causing possible lost of body functionality to the opposing player
 
I’d say no

however, do you think if it was an off the ball incident and he grabbed his shirt and pulled him on the floor with such force, it would be a red card? Arguably yes. It’s funny how the perception changes when it’s during play, even though it was on purpose.

but when I was watching it, I didn’t think it was a red.
 
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