Sedwell going....Johnson purges all Remainers

Corbyn should have given us his vision of leave. Instead of caving to the remain element of the party leading to a situation trying appease both leave and remain which was ludicrous.

Labour needed to pin their colours to the mast, which should have been leave. It may not have changed the result but it would be a hell of a lot lower than a 80 seat majority.

Gave the tories an open goal which they swallowed up
Hard to argue with that, it was the biggest open goal I’ve seen in 40 years, but you do get that sort of thing when Labour are divided. The Tories are better at uniting for the sake of an election. Johnson is already struggling with division behind the scenes but the Tories will unite for the next election.
 
It was a awful mistake. Labour were running scared of the Lib Dem’s so in order to stop the leak they adopted this position. But if they stuck with leave and on voting day faced with a labour leave v Tory leave most labour remainers would have stayed along with the labour leavers. I couldn’t believe the strategy it just didn’t make any sense
 
Hard to argue with that, it was the biggest open goal I’ve seen in 40 years, but you do get that sort of thing when Labour are divided. The Tories are better at uniting for the sake of an election. Johnson is already struggling with division behind the scenes but the Tories will unite for the next election.

Careful - there are many in the party who believe JC did no wrong.
One thing that is refreshing about many Torys I know, at the moment, is they are openly struggling with Johnson.
 
Cooper waiting for the pandemic to play out before you pass judgement would be laudable, if there were not very obvious mistakes made, irrespective of what other nations did. Considering the obvious mistakes, your position becomes laughable, not laudable.

Running down PPE, running down the health service, not replacing PPE quickly enough, no reliable track, trace and isolate. Locking down too late, no health check at airports, allowing cheltenham to go ahead, Johnsons abscence at COBRA meetings. The list is massive so yes mistakes were made.

Your position on this, as I said above is laughable, if only people weren't dying.
 
Corbyn should have given us his vision of leave. Instead of caving to the remain element of the party leading to a situation trying appease both leave and remain which was ludicrous.

Labour needed to pin their colours to the mast, which should have been leave. It may not have changed the result but it would be a hell of a lot lower than a 80 seat majority.

Gave the tories an open goal which they swallowed up

The Remain element of the party was the huge majority of it, the Remain element of Labour voters was the huge majority of it, the Remain element of the country had been a consistent majority for at least 18 months.
 
Oh dear 🥱 the all too predictable and lazy insult from the all knowing remainer. You voted leave so your thick/racist or a combination of both as you dare to have a different opinion to mine.

You realise this attitude is what lost the referendum in the 1st and then the mass of labour voters voting Tory at the last election.

Now if you think I am racist for voting leave I’d love you provide some evidence of that.

For your information I voted leave as I believed it would be the fall of Cameron and Osbourne if they lost. I actually didn’t give a toss which side won. What did bother was the attitude of people like you following the result and that made me a more ardent leaver

Cooper, can only speak for myself, but when I say Leavers were xenophobic it's only on the basis of the word cloud that illustrated their reasons. Plus Ashcroft's post referendum survey results. Plus the campaign evidence. Plus the written statements and accounts afterwards of the people running the Leave campaigns.

So basically, it's probability rather than specific as I know that for 1.4m leave voters it was no issue whatsoever.

With the racism, again we know that the campaigns were racist and fostered a rise in racism. We know that a small number of people decided that although they had originally campaigned for Leave the increased racism and xenophobia it was causing was not a price worth paying, so changed sides. Those who didn't decided it was.

As for your actual reason for voting leave, the Cameron and Osborne thing, was that your entire reason for voting Leave or were there some others?
 
Lefty- the remain element may have had the larger majority within the labour camp but labour needed to keep their leave voters. They weren’t tiny majority hence the terrible election result. If labour stuck with leave are you suggesting that labour remainers would have voted Lib Dem knowing full well that was a vote for Tory government? They would have voted down Brexit lines as opposed to party or when push came to shove would they have stuck with labour to stop a Tory government?

Brexit. Yeah pretty much so that was my main reason yeah. As I said I didn’t care who won. It was the aftermath that changed my views rather than before the vote
 
Lefty- the remain element may have had the larger majority within the labour camp but labour needed to keep their leave voters. They weren’t tiny majority hence the terrible election result. If labour stuck with leave are you suggesting that labour remainers would have voted Lib Dem knowing full well that was a vote for Tory government? They would have voted down Brexit lines as opposed to party or when push came to shove would they have stuck with labour to stop a Tory government?

Brexit. Yeah pretty much so that was my main reason yeah. As I said I didn’t care who won. It was the aftermath that changed my views rather than before the vote

I disagree on the Labour vote.

As for your reasoning behind voting Leave, there is a degree of stupidity exhibited by every Leave voter, but yours is particularly so.
 
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