Sedwell going....Johnson purges all Remainers

#61
Hey WG hope you keeping well mate.

No problem with your question, will happily answer anything you post.

Have their been mistakes so far, most likely. I would wait for the enquiry and what advice was on offer at the time before I pass judgement on that. Brexit deal? Who knows again I can’t pass judgement on that either. Obviously as you would admit it’s mostly one way traffic on here. I’m not coming from an ultra right position and defending everything I just don’t like 1 sides debate. I thought Starmer dealt with the RLB situation great the other day which I posted to that effect also. Much better than Johnson and Jenrick. My vote is 6 months in.... my vote was due to brexit so as things stand I’m still happy with that. I don’t think we’d be massively better off under a labour government. Remember we would be having a referendum right now again... highly likely delayed which would have caused more uncertainty under a labour government. If labour didn’t cave I stuck with leave I vote labour. They never so for the mean time as my vote was Brexit related I will stand by that. If it turns out down the line I was wrong I’ll take that on the chin too. I put upholding the referendum result above all else. I thought that so important to British politics it was worth voting Tory..... if it wasn’t respected I thought would bf a disaster. Clearly this is way before the pandemic too
 

HolgateCorner

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#62
Corbyn should have given us his vision of leave. Instead of caving to the remain element of the party leading to a situation trying appease both leave and remain which was ludicrous.

Labour needed to pin their colours to the mast, which should have been leave. It may not have changed the result but it would be a hell of a lot lower than a 80 seat majority.

Gave the tories an open goal which they swallowed up
Hard to argue with that, it was the biggest open goal I’ve seen in 40 years, but you do get that sort of thing when Labour are divided. The Tories are better at uniting for the sake of an election. Johnson is already struggling with division behind the scenes but the Tories will unite for the next election.
 
#63
It was a awful mistake. Labour were running scared of the Lib Dem’s so in order to stop the leak they adopted this position. But if they stuck with leave and on voting day faced with a labour leave v Tory leave most labour remainers would have stayed along with the labour leavers. I couldn’t believe the strategy it just didn’t make any sense
 

1finny

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#64
Hard to argue with that, it was the biggest open goal I’ve seen in 40 years, but you do get that sort of thing when Labour are divided. The Tories are better at uniting for the sake of an election. Johnson is already struggling with division behind the scenes but the Tories will unite for the next election.
Careful - there are many in the party who believe JC did no wrong.
One thing that is refreshing about many Torys I know, at the moment, is they are openly struggling with Johnson.
 

Laughing

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#65
Cooper waiting for the pandemic to play out before you pass judgement would be laudable, if there were not very obvious mistakes made, irrespective of what other nations did. Considering the obvious mistakes, your position becomes laughable, not laudable.

Running down PPE, running down the health service, not replacing PPE quickly enough, no reliable track, trace and isolate. Locking down too late, no health check at airports, allowing cheltenham to go ahead, Johnsons abscence at COBRA meetings. The list is massive so yes mistakes were made.

Your position on this, as I said above is laughable, if only people weren't dying.
 

Lefty

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#66
Corbyn should have given us his vision of leave. Instead of caving to the remain element of the party leading to a situation trying appease both leave and remain which was ludicrous.

Labour needed to pin their colours to the mast, which should have been leave. It may not have changed the result but it would be a hell of a lot lower than a 80 seat majority.

Gave the tories an open goal which they swallowed up
The Remain element of the party was the huge majority of it, the Remain element of Labour voters was the huge majority of it, the Remain element of the country had been a consistent majority for at least 18 months.
 

Lefty

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#67
Oh dear 🥱 the all too predictable and lazy insult from the all knowing remainer. You voted leave so your thick/racist or a combination of both as you dare to have a different opinion to mine.

You realise this attitude is what lost the referendum in the 1st and then the mass of labour voters voting Tory at the last election.

Now if you think I am racist for voting leave I’d love you provide some evidence of that.

For your information I voted leave as I believed it would be the fall of Cameron and Osbourne if they lost. I actually didn’t give a toss which side won. What did bother was the attitude of people like you following the result and that made me a more ardent leaver
Cooper, can only speak for myself, but when I say Leavers were xenophobic it's only on the basis of the word cloud that illustrated their reasons. Plus Ashcroft's post referendum survey results. Plus the campaign evidence. Plus the written statements and accounts afterwards of the people running the Leave campaigns.

So basically, it's probability rather than specific as I know that for 1.4m leave voters it was no issue whatsoever.

With the racism, again we know that the campaigns were racist and fostered a rise in racism. We know that a small number of people decided that although they had originally campaigned for Leave the increased racism and xenophobia it was causing was not a price worth paying, so changed sides. Those who didn't decided it was.

As for your actual reason for voting leave, the Cameron and Osborne thing, was that your entire reason for voting Leave or were there some others?
 
#68
Lefty- the remain element may have had the larger majority within the labour camp but labour needed to keep their leave voters. They weren’t tiny majority hence the terrible election result. If labour stuck with leave are you suggesting that labour remainers would have voted Lib Dem knowing full well that was a vote for Tory government? They would have voted down Brexit lines as opposed to party or when push came to shove would they have stuck with labour to stop a Tory government?

Brexit. Yeah pretty much so that was my main reason yeah. As I said I didn’t care who won. It was the aftermath that changed my views rather than before the vote
 

Lefty

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#69
Lefty- the remain element may have had the larger majority within the labour camp but labour needed to keep their leave voters. They weren’t tiny majority hence the terrible election result. If labour stuck with leave are you suggesting that labour remainers would have voted Lib Dem knowing full well that was a vote for Tory government? They would have voted down Brexit lines as opposed to party or when push came to shove would they have stuck with labour to stop a Tory government?

Brexit. Yeah pretty much so that was my main reason yeah. As I said I didn’t care who won. It was the aftermath that changed my views rather than before the vote
I disagree on the Labour vote.

As for your reasoning behind voting Leave, there is a degree of stupidity exhibited by every Leave voter, but yours is particularly so.
 
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