Only if Labour listens, and doesn't sail off into some North London centric moo moo land.
Scottish By Election
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Jedi boro
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That was the big issue with Corbyn ( and milliband prior to him) he never really won over the Scottish vote snd Nichola cleaned up.
As this poll shows he was less popular than bojo.
The three least popular politicians were Boris Johnson, on a -38 approval rating, former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn on -43, and Alba leader Alex Salmond on -57.
The study, commissioned by Politico, also found support for the Union to be slightly higher than support for Scottish independence.
ThatFragranceGuy
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I think it needs another result to look as good as people are making out. This specific constituency was unique in that the previous incumbent was the one kicked out for breaking Covid rules and was recalled so not a normal by election. Accross Scotland labour is polling well but still behind SNP, so depends if they can maintain it.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Popularity polls without context don't always tell the full story. In 2015 Miliband lost 40 of his 41 Scottish seats. In 2017 Corbyn regained six of those seats. When was the poll conducted?
Jedi boro
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I did say milliband prior to it but Corbyn wasn’t popular in Scotland.
Labour have been playing catch up for years.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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What a load of nonsense, driven by the right wing media and soaked up by numpties.
That's absolutely right. If last night was at least in part a tactical vote to kick out the SNP, then it's not all good news for Labour. The SNP finished either first or second in every single constituency in Scotland at the last general election. If the same level of tactical voting - against the SNP - happens at the next general election then the Tories and Libdems will probably pick up seats too.
It really isn't. I can't speak for English voters but Labour needs to understand that Scotland is not full of English people with funny accents. The SNP is, and has been popular not because we don't like English people but because it put Scotland's needs first and not as an afterthought.
what is North London centric moo moo land supposed to mean? Like what policy do you mean by that?Corcaigh_the_Cat
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The 'north London' nonsense is what I was referring to. It was the same cry in the Sun, Daily Mail, Express etc and repeated on here as part of the fight to belittle Corbyn, who would have done more for Scotland and the majority of its people than the SNP.
SNEEKERS
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Separatism....says the party that led us out of Europe and created a angry and divided Britain,they really don't get it.
1finny
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SNP will do well in an election - independence polling is still high.
At its most optimistic Labour would hope for 28 seats (likely to be around 24 though).
A far cry from the 40 from previous elections (2010 and before).
The Tories might get the odd one but Lib Dem’s will prob claim a few too.
It might not be all good news for Labour but it should be enough to guarantee the Torys are out.
Laughing
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I would hazard a guess that labours majority will be larger than the number of seats they take in Scotland finny.
HolgateCorner
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The Tories have encouraged the SNP vote whilst denying a referendum to keep Labour’s vote down in Scotland. It’s been a fine line but they’ve walked it.
Scrote
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The raw numbers just show that Labour got their vote out.
Since the seat was created in 2005, Labour have won 4 of the 6 elections (including this one). They won and then lost the seat with a similar number of votes in 2017 (19,101) and 2019 (18,545).
Considering the reason for the by-election it's not surprising that the SNP suffered.
I don't think you can really draw any more general conclusions from this, though.
Celebrate the win, by all means. The Tory result is a victory in and of itself. I'd just be wary of annoying the SNP stay-aways by making too much of it though.
Well - if you want an example - Labour and Jeremy Corbyn faffing around for ages redefining antisemitism rather than just accepting the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition. That cost Labour votes.
Michael Shanks - who won in Rutherglen yesterday - resigned from Labour over that issue a few years ago.
And Labour forcing Scottish Labour to toe the Unionist party line leading up to the Indyref in 2014.
Abolishing charitable status for schools might be contentious, if Labour goes down that road.
HolgateCorner
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Blah, blah, blah, nobody is listening to all that guff any more, it’s about cost of living, Rishi’s corruption and destroying the morale of the NHS front line.
Scrote
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This just highlights the fact that the Labour antisemitism scam was effective.
Labour adopted the IHRA, in full, in 2016. The row was about an attempt at clarifying some of the examples after Jewish academics called them out for not being workable. The idea that that clarification was in some way offensive was as ridiculous then as it is now.
The reason for the clarification was that some of the examples had been shown to have been used in such a way as to invert their intent. Labour (or more to the point, Corbyn) would have been accused of antisemitism no matter which way the discussions went. That was the whole point.
Adopt the IHRA in full with all the examples. Antisemitic for not listening to the Jewish academics.
Adopt the IHRA in full with clarifications. Antisemitic for 'faffing around'.
BlindBoyGrunt
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The IHRA definition was deeply flawed and Corbyn and his allies were aware of that from the start, unlike most of the political world. They are being proved right now though.
Antisemitism definition used by UK universities leading to ‘unreasonable’ accusations
Report says IHRA definition has led to 40 cases against people and groups – of which 38 were cleared – and is stifling academic freedoms
www.theguardian.com