Scientists confirm 1/3 of Covid deaths incorrect

[borolad259]

Excess deaths will be a good metric but they will need to be over a longer period because we had a mild flu season. There will be issues because of un-diagnosed fatal illnesses of course, and excess deaths caused by flu this summer for instance, but they are far more reliable than the "within 28 days of +ive test" or "death certificate".

 

[kuepper]

I know of 3 other similar cases from this area. It’s terrible mate. No one should have their death incorrectly recorded. Sorry to hear that

So you think doctors lied and so broke the BMA code of conduct, have you reported them?

 

[Laughing]

So you think doctors lied and so broke the BMA code of conduct, have you reported them?

Its the GMC that issues the code of conduct Kuepper, not the BMA. The BMA are the doctors trade union, but good point, nonetheless

 

[1finny]

Excess deaths will be a good metric but they will need to be over a longer period because we had a mild flu season. There will be issues because of un-diagnosed fatal illnesses of course, and excess deaths caused by flu this summer for instance, but they are far more reliable than the "within 28 days of +ive test" or "death certificate".

Excess deaths is the only metric - surely?

 

[Lifelonfaninexile]

Excess deaths is the only metric - surely?

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The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 4 September 2020 (Week 36) was 8,996, which was 1,403 fewer deaths than the five-year average

Cut and paste directly from ONS site.
Less people are passing away this year than the average for the last 5 years, go back further and you get the same result.

 

[1finny]

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The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 4 September 2020 (Week 36) was 8,996, which was 1,403 fewer deaths than the five-year average

Cut and paste directly from ONS site.
Less people are passing away this year than the average for the last 5 years, go back further and you get the same result.

That’s what many scientists are saying.
Lots of ‘cases’
But - so what?

 

[Lifelonfaninexile]

I have said it before and will say it again, everybody needs to take a little time out and read 1984. The only thing he got wrong was the date.
If lives are too busy for that then download it, not as good, but you will still understand.

 

[Billy Horner]

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The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 4 September 2020 (Week 36) was 8,996, which was 1,403 fewer deaths than the five-year average

Cut and paste directly from ONS site.
Less people are passing away this year than the average for the last 5 years, go back further and you get the same result.

“Between Weeks 1 and 12, 138,916 deaths were registered, which was 4,822 fewer than the five-year average for these weeks. However, between Weeks 13 and 36, 285,919 deaths were registered, which was 56,721 more than the five-year average.

Week 36 was the first time in four weeks when deaths were lower than the five-year average (1,443 fewer deaths).

The week ending 4 September (Week 36) contained the late August bank holiday, which would have contributed to the decreased number of deaths registered and the decrease in deaths registered involving COVID-19.”

Also cut and paste from the ONS webpage that you used. If you’re going to use statistics, you really should include the whole picture, and not just quote selectively in order to mislead people and support your own conspiracy theories.

 

[Laughing]

I would give up Billy I really would. We are all entitled to our opinions, leave it at that.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

I have said it before and will say it again, everybody needs to take a little time out and read 1984. The only thing he got wrong was the date.
If lives are too busy for that then download it, not as good, but you will still understand.

Absolutely. Last time I pulled a bird this big voice started booming out of my TV saying my house was surrounded. Next thing I know they carted both of us off for reprogramming.

The Jetsons got more right than George Orwell.

 

[BoroMart]

I have said it before and will say it again, everybody needs to take a little time out and read 1984. The only thing he got wrong was the date.
If lives are too busy for that then download it, not as good, but you will still understand.

Tin foil hat stuff.

Are there some power and rights grabs? yes.
Is this (covid) a lie made up to allow the elites to take away our liberties? No don't be bloody stupid.

A far better example for 1984 predicting the now is Brexit.

 

[Randy]

“Between Weeks 1 and 12, 138,916 deaths were registered, which was 4,822 fewer than the five-year average for these weeks. However, between Weeks 13 and 36, 285,919 deaths were registered, which was 56,721 more than the five-year average.

Week 36 was the first time in four weeks when deaths were lower than the five-year average (1,443 fewer deaths).

The week ending 4 September (Week 36) contained the late August bank holiday, which would have contributed to the decreased number of deaths registered and the decrease in deaths registered involving COVID-19.”

Also cut and paste from the ONS webpage that you used. If you’re going to use statistics, you really should include the whole picture, and not just quote selectively in order to mislead people and support your own conspiracy theories.

See this annoys me aswell as many others around the world. Those who question the data and reply with other data that doesn't match up to theirs are automatically assumed to be conspiracy theorists.

I don't see anybody wearing tin foil hats, only old t-shirts over the face. (Which is fine by the way if it promotes confidence in those who are anxious.

(Disclaimer, I wear one at work and when visiting the supermarket as they are the rules.)

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

He isn't accusing people of being loons. He is accusing people of misrepresenting data to suit their agenda.

Personally I don't take any issue with people questioning the validity of approaches being taken to covid. On the contrary I think it's very important. I do take issue with the certainty with which they express their views and the manipulation of data to re-enforce them.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

Ok he is accusing people of being loons a bit.

 

[Man_On]

I have a friend who works in a care home who confirmed they were told that a death was registered as Covid when it clearly wasn't. Im not one for conspiracy but im sure there will be a lot more of this.

I would like to see some comparison numbers compared to previous years for deaths from other causes.

Wait until the flu season is in full swing.

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

The most accurate measure is excess deaths; I'm not even sure why there is any debate beyond that context?

 

[Redwurzel]

I know people who get test results that say inconclusive.

Lets say the there are no experts on CV19 - the experts are still very much learning, but they are very reluctant to say this is plain English, because their position depends on their perceived expertise.

What we do know the virus spreads very quickly,

It can kill but in very small numbers of those infected.

Over 60s are most likely to die from it

It affect people's ability to breathe normally

Most of the infected don't know they have it or have had it.

It appears to be mutating to a less deadly form.

It is mainly spread by tiny water droplets.

It affects child much less and they spread it much less.

 

[BoroMart]

I have a friend who works in a care home who confirmed they were told that a death was registered as Covid when it clearly wasn't. Im not one for conspiracy but im sure there will be a lot more of this.

I would like to see some comparison numbers compared to previous years for deaths from other causes.

Wait until the flu season is in full swing.

Heresay amongst staff isn't the same as an actual registered cause of death, one example (and dubious because it doesn't have any proof that it was registered covid and that it wasn't covid) is proof of absolutely nothing.

 

[Billy Horner]

See this annoys me aswell as many others around the world. Those who question the data and reply with other data that doesn't match up to theirs are automatically assumed to be conspiracy theorists.

I don't see anybody wearing tin foil hats, only old t-shirts over the face. (Which is fine by the way if it promotes confidence in those who are anxious.

(Disclaimer, I wear one at work and when visiting the supermarket as they are the rules.)

Ok he is accusing people of being loons a bit.

To be fair, the person I accused of being a conspiracy theorist had basically just posted that the government was using the situation to introduce a totalitarian state (at least, I believe that's what he meant by "everybody needs to take a little time out and read 1984. The only thing he got wrong was the date."

 

[Randy]

To be fair, the person I accused of being a conspiracy theorist had basically just posted that the government was using the situation to introduce a totalitarian state (at least, I believe that's what he meant by "everybody needs to take a little time out and read 1984. The only thing he got wrong was the date."

Basically is a totalitarian state we currently reside in though by everything but the government actually admitting it. Nothing voted on in parliament at the minute, draconian measures brought in to places where the data contradicts it. Restrictions on social life but none on working life. My eldest can spend all day with 10 of her new friends at school but can't have them round after school for a play date. I spend 12 hours a day in the kitchen at work with my work colleagues but because we don't all live in the same house we aren't supposed to have a beer after work in an outdoor beer garden.

Hundreds of people die from smoking related illnesses every week yet smoking isn't banned and 10 people were reported dead with a positive covid-19 test in the last 24 hours and everybody is banned from doing many things.

Bonkers.