Schrödingers Brexit

Jimstewart said:
You are obsessed. You voted for The Conservative and Unionist Party in December 2019 when they said they were gonna get brexit done. What did you expect to happen once you put your cross in that box ????
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A bit pot kettle? You're following some other random forum poster around, who you don't know, pointing out who they voted for over a year ago? That's a bit weird. Also considering about half decide who they vote for more than 6 month in advance, or never change.

You do realise that opinions can change, and so can who you vote for?

Also, you can align with 75% of historical policies and not align with the other 25%, even if that 25% is a main one currently.

The "brexit" we ended up with, was not the brexit promised, let's not forget that. The brexit delivered was the least favoured "version" of most brexiters and tories.
 
Andy_W said:
A bit pot kettle? You're following some other random forum poster around, who you don't know, pointing out who they voted for over a year ago? That's a bit wierd.

You do realise that opinions can change, and so can who you vote for?

Also, you can align with 75% of historical policies and not align with the other 25%, even if that 25% is a main one currently.

The "brexit" we ended up with, was not the brexit promised, let's not forget that.
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I do realise that opinions can change but I find it difficult to believe his opinion on brexit in December 2019 differs to his opinion now. To vote for the get brexit done Party and then start multiple threads complaining about that very issue is nonsensical.
 
Jimstewart said:
I do realise that opinions can change but I find it difficult to believe his opinion on brexit in December 2019 differs to his opinion now. To vote for the get brexit done Party and then start multiple threads complaining about that very issue is nonsensical.
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Also hard to believe that Corbyns lifetime anti EU views suddenly changed over night.
 
Around 85% of the print media is right wing, mainly owned by multi millionaire tax dodgers, the news and current affairs radio stations, LBC, times radio and talk radio all right wing, 5live centrist. News channels mainly right wing etc . Add to that the two new radio stations and news channels being launched this year are all right of centre.
 
SmallTown said:
"Being". Imagine being so ignorant you can sleep at night whilst your country becomes an isolated poor backwater. All because you wanted a blue passport.
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Wow didn't realise you get blue passports either, no ones ever said that before

I also think you're the last one to pick up someone on their spelling, wording etc, but if it makes you feel better bang on, though I'd say childish really, but something I expect from you TBH
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Also hard to believe that Corbyns lifetime anti EU views suddenly changed over night.
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They won’t have. He voted against both the Maastricht and Lisbon treaty’s. Himself, Skinner, Galloway and co walked into the same lobby as Bill Cash and every other Tory Eurosceptic when it came to Europe. Until he got the top job that is.
 
jam69 said:
Around 85% of the print media is right wing, mainly owned by multi millionaire tax dodgers, the news and current affairs radio stations, LBC, times radio and talk radio all right wing, 5live centrist. News channels mainly right wing etc . Add to that the two new radio stations and news channels being launched this year are all right of centre.
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Who under 40 buys or reads a paper?

I have no idea where the idea that The Mail runs the UK comes from. But it's one of those things if you keep saying it eventually it is believed.
 
A media is usually the reflection of government it (in this case pretty single-handedly) elected.

In print media there are currently only two leftist dissenting voices - Guardian and (to some extent) Mirror.
 
Jimstewart said:
I do realise that opinions can change but I find it difficult to believe his opinion on brexit in December 2019 differs to his opinion now. To vote for the get brexit done Party and then start multiple threads complaining about that very issue is nonsensical.
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It's because you don't understand, don't know him, and don't realise there are about 100 things that could affect the way you or anyone votes, it's not the same for everyone and can be wildly different.

What is in the news currently (or was in the news in December 2019) might have been more relevant to most then, but may not have been to him. Or maybe he like many others thought voting tory was a lesser risk than voting corbyn, even if there was a slight risk of getting no deal, no SM, No CU etc. Effectively it might have been a gamble, or he might have been voting in dead seat anyway, so it was irrelevant.

Now we have a no-deal, no single market, and no CU, so there's 75% of tories who haven't got the Brexit they voted for (or the Brexit they were willing to tolerate). It makes perfect sense that there would be tons of tories kicking off about it now, at least they're willing to admit they made a mistake or trusted the untrustworthy. Changing your mind and admitting a mistake is better than burying your head in the sand, pretending it's all rosy. A good example of this is how you targeted who he voted for, yet ignored that the government are paying for advertising/ propaganda against the EU, which was the thread/ title.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Of course we have a leftist media. We have both right and left. Are you suggesting that the Guardian is the brainchild of the right.
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Interesting. I name a plethora of right wing media and you name a single, solitary left wing outlet and you think there is a left wing bias? I mean, how does that work?
 
Jimstewart said:
They won’t have. He voted against both the Maastricht and Lisbon treaty’s. Himself, Skinner, Galloway and co walked into the same lobby as Bill Cash and every other Tory Eurosceptic when it came to Europe. Until he got the top job that is.
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because as leader he would need to represent the party rather than his own personal view. it goes with the position.
 
jam69 said:
Around 85% of the print media is right wing, mainly owned by multi millionaire tax dodgers, the news and current affairs radio stations, LBC, times radio and talk radio all right wing, 5live centrist. News channels mainly right wing etc . Add to that the two new radio stations and news channels being launched this year are all right of centre.
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You’re correct that the majority of print media is controlled by the right. In a digital world of mass multi media it’s relevance is not what is was. Print media influences few under the age of 50
 
Print Media and Social Media Channels - the right has those pretty much wrapped up too (at least it understands better how to target them at those most susceptible).
 
SmallTown said:
Interesting. I name a plethora of right wing media and you name a single, solitary left wing outlet and you think there is a left wing bias? I mean, how does that work?
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I’m not dismissing your opinion. The right has controlled the narrative for years. I was asking why he thought we don’t have a leftist media when we do
 
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