Ryan Giles

BMW E34 said:
Once Steffan goes home we can stop this messing about with the ball @ the back conceding goals every game.
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I hope you're joking, but for the benefit of anyone else too, this "messing about" is what creates space up the pitch and midfield, it's where most of our goals scored come from.

The idea is that you create more from it than you give away, which is a practical certainty over the alternative of lumping a ball to their keeper or two centre-backs, when you have a lone striker who isn't tall (for a footballer), or good in the air.
 
If we can agree a reasonable fee (around 4M), I think there is a chance we could sign him permanently.
 
Duffman said:
Hope Giles signs but we won’t realise till the season starts just what a miss Steffan will be. Was a massive player last year and played a vital role with his distribution and calmness. Major loss
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"Kelleher's distribution is another asset. His passing this season has allowed Liverpool to generate 0.07 xG in the build-up, more than the average Premier League goalkeeper would be expected to. Kelleher's score of +0.02 xG per 90 is slightly higher than Alisson's distribution score (+0.01)"
 
Boro999 said:
4m? Are you mad? You wouldn't get his shin pad for that.
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I wouldn't want to be paying more than £4m for Giles.
He is defensively weak and yet to score a goal. His assists pretty much dried up too.
He is a decent player and crosses well, but £4m is enough money for him.
 
indeedido said:
I wouldn't want to be paying more than £4m for Giles.
He is defensively weak and yet to score a goal. His assists pretty much dried up too.
He is a decent player and crosses well, but £4m is enough money for him.
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I agree with this 100%. As the season went on I thought his influence waned and it became obvious down the home stretch that teams were actively targeting our full backs.
 
indeedido said:
I wouldn't want to be paying more than £4m for Giles.
He is defensively weak and yet to score a goal. His assists pretty much dried up too.
He is a decent player and crosses well, but £4m is enough money for him.
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To add to this as well, you would like to think that Carrick, Woodgate and Danks have enough contacts in the game to identify a strong left back who can deliver a cross. I’d rather we buy a proper full back than an attacking outlet. If we have better full backs it will take the pressure off our centre halves too, which will improve their performances.
 
Redwurzel said:
The issue is his defending - if it was a weakness in the Championship what will it be in the Premier League. He also hasn't the upper body strength of the average full back nowdays - he's not built that way, reminds me of the full back we had that went to Villa and Cardiff. Local lad than came up through the academy, but I can't remember his name. Giles is a bit better crosser but they had a similar physique. I would say Giles is a £5m to £6m player. Spence in contrast was stronger on the ball, difficult to shove off and won alot of tackles, as well as quick, also had more of an eye for goal. Spence was £12.5m and failed to play in the Premier League.
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Joe Bennett - I can see what you mean, although I think Giles is a better version already of Bennett.

His weakness is without doubt the defending side, and i noticed a few times last season just simply cutting out a ball he struggled with. Either too much power or not enough power when cutting out a pass that resulted in us on the back foot, linked with positional play too.

But we know hes far from the finished article, thats what the coaches are there for. Bags of potential for the lad.
 
MichaelDebeve said:
Joe Bennett - I can see what you mean, although I think Giles is a better version already of Bennett.

His weakness is without doubt the defending side, and i noticed a few times last season just simply cutting out a ball he struggled with. Either too much power or not enough power when cutting out a pass that resulted in us on the back foot, linked with positional play too.

But we know hes far from the finished article, thats what the coaches are there for. Bags of potential for the lad.
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I get what you mean about potential but it’s not like he’s a 17 year old kid. He’s 23 and you would hope by now that a coach would have properly got hold of him and told him where he’s going wrong. Is this the side effect of loan after loan though? He bounces from club to club, manager to manager who want results now. They aren’t going to see him as a work in progress or try to develop a player for somebody else’s benefit.
 
Mayor Goldie Wilson said:
I get what you mean about potential but it’s not like he’s a 17 year old kid. He’s 23 and you would hope by now that a coach would have properly got hold of him and told him where he’s going wrong. Is this the side effect of loan after loan though? He bounces from club to club, manager to manager who want results now. They aren’t going to see him as a work in progress or try to develop a player for somebody else’s benefit.
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Potentially hit the nail on the head there mate.

I take the age point, however I actually think players can be coached/ improved throughout their career depending on the manager/ coaching staff. I certainly think at 23 Giles can still and will improve on the defensive side.
 
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