Rwanda scheme

Unravel_Morrison said:
Godwin's Law does generally apply but when it's so obvious and parallel I don't know how you else describe it.
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I know, and that's the struggle isn't it? It's also why this government is so clever. It's using this loaded language, making people like fuzzy fear a problem that doesn't exist and want to find a solution. But when you point out that's what the nazi's did in the early 30s people get upsets. Despite the fact it is correct.

I think the issue with some people is they can't see the cause and only see the effect. When we equate the Tories to the Nazi's they think of the holocaust. They struggle to realise that's not how the fascism started. It started with use of loaded language, control of the media, persecution designed to turn the public against a specific group of people. The government does it against asylum seekers and people on benefits. The Nazi's did it against Jews, it doesn't mean that the tories want to gas all asylum seekers. It just means they are turning people agains them for their own gain and to cement their own power
 
SmallTown said:
I know, and that's the struggle isn't it? It's also why this government is so clever. It's using this loaded language, making people like fuzzy fear a problem that doesn't exist and want to find a solution. But when you point out that's what the nazi's did in the early 30s people get upsets. Despite the fact it is correct.

I think the issue with some people is they can't see the cause and only see the effect. When we equate the Tories to the Nazi's they think of the holocaust. They struggle to realise that's not how the fascism started. It started with use of loaded language, control of the media, persecution designed to turn the public against a specific group of people. The government does it against asylum seekers and people on benefits. The Nazi's did it against Jews, it doesn't mean that the tories want to gas all asylum seekers. It just means they are turning people agains them for their own gain and to cement their own power
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Smalltown
As you affectionately call me fuzzy I am downsizing you to village……..
How can you possible change one’s comments from migrant to Jew or add words in to sentences like ‘final’ solution and then slander somebody else for using loaded language.
Your radged you
I fully agree with you about the media by the way. Scummy scare mongers
 
Facefuzz said:
Smalltown
As you affectionately call me fuzzy I am downsizing you to village……..
How can you possible change one’s comments from migrant to Jew or add words in to sentences like ‘final’ solution and then slander somebody else for using loaded language.
Your radged you
I fully agree with you about the media by the way. Scummy scare mongers
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You were the one who talked about the solution.

You must be astonishly naive to not realise that is the language of the right when they discuss this issue; you've fallen for the 'illegal' label, so why not the rest of it?
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
You were the one who talked about the solution.

You must be astonishly naive to not realise that is the language of the right when they discuss this issue; you've fallen for the 'illegal' label, so why not the rest of it?
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You’ve read the full thread.
I did say solution
Village then repeated it but said ‘final’ solution. I’m not sure why he added the word final? Whether it was for dramatic effect or to twist my words I don’t know. It certainly is loaded language though.

Nothing wrong with saying a solution - a means of solving a problem or dealing with a difficult situation. I’m sure we can agree this is a difficult situation. Those in Calais waiting to cross would like a solution would they not?
 
We are going around in circles here.
I want to stop what is happening now as it’s not working for anybody.
I hope a solution is found to assist the whole procedure.
I’d like to welcome vulnerable people who require assistance in the correct numbers.
Some posters have suggested ideas to assist in safe and expedited passage which I wholly agree with.
Peace to you all
UTB
 
Facefuzz said:
Smalltown
As you affectionately call me fuzzy I am downsizing you to village……..
How can you possible change one’s comments from migrant to Jew or add words in to sentences like ‘final’ solution and then slander somebody else for using loaded language.
Your radged you
I fully agree with you about the media by the way. Scummy scare mongers
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This is like pulling teeth. I said it was an experiment: take anything you have said, remove your words "illegal immigrant" and replace them with the word "Jew" then see how the post reads. Maybe then you will understand why I am equating the two. Just try it. You might be shocked by how bad it sounds.
 
Osboro said:
If I was you I'd read a quality paper and educate yourself.
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I’m with you now. The media are bad, the press are bad, we’re being fed lies, we’re all gullible …….. except the people who read the same papers as you because they are gospel?
 
SmallTown said:
This is like pulling teeth. I said it was an experiment: take anything you have said, remove your words "illegal immigrant" and replace them with the word "Jew" then see how the post reads. Maybe then you will understand why I am equating the two. Just try it. You might be shocked by how bad it sounds.
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You really are comparing a failed system which assesses needs to allow vulnerable people a safe passage to a different country to the extermination of an entire race? Wow
 
Facefuzz said:
You really are comparing a failed system which assesses needs to allow vulnerable people a safe passage to a different country to the extermination of an entire race? Wow
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No. No I'm not. Jesus PLEASE read all my posts. I literally explain this confusion you are having.
 
Facefuzz said:
I’m with you now. The media are bad, the press are bad, we’re being fed lies, we’re all gullible …….. except the people who read the same papers as you because they are gospel?
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Not really, any good source of info will do, just try to get a good mix.
It's clear you have no idea what's going on.
Your grasp of economics is simplistic and the ideology that permeates our current Govt appears to have passed you by.
Pick up the basics and come back.
I'm afraid you've been misled by whatever source you currently get you information.
 
r00fie1 said:
Hitler had a similar policy for non-Aryan ethnic peoples.
Transportation and enslavement.

"The way a government treats refugees is very instructive,
because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us,
if they thought they could get away with it".
(Tony Benn)
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That's a great quote. It's misattributed to Tony Benn, though.

It actually comes from something originally written by Scottish journalist Neal Ascherson. Writing for the Independent in January 1996, he stated:

The way a state treats its aliens is the way it would treat its own subjects if it dared.
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In 1999, Francis Wheen paraphrased it in the Guardian as follows:

We should always watch how politicians treat refugees, Neal Ascherson once wrote, because that's how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it.
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In what context did Tony Benn say the following?
 
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