Rome wasn’t built in a day but if our fans had been there they’d have called the whole thing off after the first 24 hours

joeutb

joeutb

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Our fans seem to complain that we relied to heavily on loan players last season and that we have to start from square one at the start of every season, yet at the same time don’t seem to have any sort of patience for watching us build something from the ground up. We’ve signed numerous players on permanents who clearly have potential but are very far off from the finished articles and this therefore means we are suffering at the minute, but going forward it could pay off big time for us. As long as we start improving in the next few weeks and find some form, I’d be happy to see us finish mid table and build on next year and the year after as our signings improve and we make more along the way
 
No he was correct but we didn’t and we move on. The plan is obviously long term and will probably take a few seasons to come off
We may get lucky and grab someone in the next transfer window, until then I’d imagine the plan remains the same
 
joeutb said:
Our fans seem to complain that we relied to heavily on loan players last season and that we have to start from square one at the start of every season, yet at the same time don’t seem to have any sort of patience for watching us build something from the ground up. We’ve signed numerous players on permanents who clearly have potential but are very far off from the finished articles and this therefore means we are suffering at the minute, but going forward it could pay off big time for us. As long as we start improving in the next few weeks and find some form, I’d be happy to see us finish mid table and build on next year and the year after as our signings improve and we make more along the way
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Whilst I agree to an extent, we shouldn't have thrown all of our eggs into this basket in such a carefree fashion, when most thought it was foolhardy.

And the big one, we aren't improving. All season teams have ran through our midfield like it wasn't there. The only signing I was really pleased with was O'Brien who I think is a cracking addition. Carrick has just had two weeks training with the players, two weeks to review all of our conceded goals this season, and then come up with a way to counteract those failings and tweak our formation to give us a more solid foundation.

The result of this effort was to play O'Brien left wing and allow a bang average team to waltz through our midfield like it wasn't there (again).

I buy in to the signings, giving them time, building over a season or two. What I can't accept is rank bad defending, being wide open, letting players run through midfield unopposed. Seemingly no organisation, of who is picking up which runners, no tackles of note, no desire to protect a clean sheet at all costs or take one for the team.

We're an absolute shambles out of possession and covering the ground/opposition players to protect our fragile back line.

What makes it even more baffling is it this exact skill set that made Carrick one of the most prized and successful PL deep lying centre mids of his generation.
 
Jedi boro said:
We need a senior pro up top

Michael carrick last week of the window

So was he wrong then
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Ashley Barnes would of been ideal with what we had / have ..
knowing chuba was going / archer and Ramsey weren't returning
Got to blend some experience, with experimental signings
 
joeutb said:
Our fans seem to complain that we relied to heavily on loan players last season and that we have to start from square one at the start of every season, yet at the same time don’t seem to have any sort of patience for watching us build something from the ground up. We’ve signed numerous players on permanents who clearly have potential but are very far off from the finished articles and this therefore means we are suffering at the minute, but going forward it could pay off big time for us. As long as we start improving in the next few weeks and find some form, I’d be happy to see us finish mid table and build on next year and the year after as our signings improve and we make more along the way
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I'm sorry but we've given them weeks now is no improvements. Sunderland signed kids and flying we've just picked the wrong ones
 
We have wasted so much money on pap it’s untrue. Saville. Flint to name two. We sell Spence, tavernier and akpom for 36m and bought who.

We cannot afford projects because as it stands it’s league 1. No real leaders in the team. Have to have a spine within the team. But alas we don’t. Replaced quality with cheap imitations. Ya buy cheap ya buy twice.
 
Caesium137 said:
Whilst I agree to an extent, we shouldn't have thrown all of our eggs into this basket in such a carefree fashion, when most thought it was foolhardy.

And the big one, we aren't improving. All season teams have ran through our midfield like it wasn't there. The only signing I was really pleased with was O'Brien who I think is a cracking addition. Carrick has just had two weeks training with the players, two weeks to review all of our conceded goals this season, and then come up with a way to counteract those failings and tweak our formation to give us a more solid foundation.

The result of this effort was to play O'Brien left wing and allow a bang average team to waltz through our midfield like it wasn't there (again).

I buy in to the signings, giving them time, building over a season or two. What I can't accept is rank bad defending, being wide open, letting players run through midfield unopposed. Seemingly no organisation, of who is picking up which runners, no tackles of note, no desire to protect a clean sheet at all costs or take one for the team.

We're an absolute shambles out of possession and covering the ground/opposition players to protect our fragile back line.

What makes it even more baffling is it this exact skill set that made Carrick one of the most prized and successful PL deep lying centre mids of his generation.
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I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticise but we can’t have it both ways, either we build slowly with untapped potential or we continue the never ending cycle of using loads of loan plans to push for promotion every year
 
Boro4life said:
I'm sorry but we've given them weeks now is no improvements. Sunderland signed kids and flying we've just picked the wrong ones
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“We’ve given them weeks” Do you understand it takes longer than a few weeks for players to develop from very rough around the edges but show potential to quality players?
 
Billywoofslovechild said:
We have wasted so much money on pap it’s untrue. Saville. Flint to name two. We sell Spence, tavernier and akpom for 36m and bought who.

We cannot afford projects because as it stands it’s league 1. No real leaders in the team. Have to have a spine within the team. But alas we don’t. Replaced quality with cheap imitations. Ya buy cheap ya buy twice.
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The 36m probably went towards signings and the running of the club, we currently operate at a £1m loss each month
 
joeutb said:
I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticise but we can’t have it both ways, either we build slowly with untapped potential or we continue the never ending cycle of using loads of loan plans to push for promotion every year
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joeutb said:
“We’ve given them weeks” Do you understand it takes longer than a few weeks for players to develop from very rough around the edges but show potential to quality players?
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I'm not talking about the players we've signed developing, or utilising / not utilising the loan market. We've had weeks to change the shape or tweak how we set up to prevent conceding so many sloppy goals and we've done nothing.That's tactical and coaching, not just down to undeveloped players. The back 4, two centre and keeper are all experienced enough at this level to be doing a lot better. The fact they aren't is down to choices the manager is making.
 
joeutb said:
The 36m probably went towards signings and the running of the club, we currently operate at a £1m loss each month
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Is that still the case? I know it was touted out for years pre-covid, and the covid season must have been grim. But our wage bill must be half what it was in the Monk/Pulis days you'd think.

Maybe @indeedido would know, he's pretty conversant with our companies house stuff.
 
Caesium137 said:
Is that still the case? I know it was touted out for years pre-covid, and the covid season must have been grim. But our wage bill must be half what it was in the Monk/Pulis days you'd think.

Maybe @indeedido would know, he's pretty conversant with our companies house stuff.
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Just what I read a few months ago but you may well be correct and it could be different, although I’d imagine we are losing money monthly
 
joeutb said:
Just what I read a few months ago but you may well be correct and it could be different, although I’d imagine we are losing money monthly
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If this is all we can muster living a £1 million a month beyond our means, we may as well pack it in and use the stadium for concerts and monster truck shows.
 
Caesium137 said:
If this is all we can muster living a £1 million a month beyond our means, we may as well pack it in and use the stadium for concerts and monster truck shows.
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Maybe it might of dropped a bit recently as we seem to have taken a different approach to building the club going forward ie using young and cheap lads who show potential. I’d still imagine we have a decent wage bill though, i wonder how much Carrick is on
 
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