.....now panicking according to this. The replies are interesting https://www.threads.com/@politicsin...QGzqCMUbmjJcgVq8f8QKgSGKibvNu6wJ3q6ssvS6sxMtg
Reform candidates didn't want to win....
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FabioPorkpie
Well-known member
Some of the new councillors are as thick as those that voted for them -
Frozen Horse
Well-known member
Maybe a little bit of success will prove the turning point for Reform?
They now risk having their ineptitude exposed by having actual responsibility.
No longer can they snipe from the sidelines; they'll have to stand on their record like everyone else.
They now risk having their ineptitude exposed by having actual responsibility.
No longer can they snipe from the sidelines; they'll have to stand on their record like everyone else.
Chutney
Well-known member
Like they did with Brexit you mean?
Or will they just keep lying to their credulous support and blame everyone else when even their fiction won't fly?
Frozen Horse
Well-known member
Reform technically wasn't formed until over 2 years after the referendum.
Johnson kept Farage out of the official leave campaign: this meant Farage could play the race card from the sidelines while Johnson could use him while seeming to keep his hands clean of all that.
Reform also had no say in negotiations.
Plus lots of others fools thought Brexit was a good idea.
Brexit has been a disaster and always looked like it would be, but it is not all on Reform. The performance of the councils will be on them, and them alone
FabioPorkpie
Well-known member
I hope this proves to be the case and they are exposed for the charlatans and grifters that they are. Their incompetence will shine through, as they simply aren’t serious people.
That said, as Chutney points out, Brexit didn’t seem to bother the hard of thinking one little bit sadly.
Chutney
Well-known member
I don't think the badge they were wearing at the time makes much difference, nor their role in things. We know who they are, the fictions they peddle and their enthusiasm to claim or distance themselves from the consequences. Can't see reflection and growth entering their playbook any time soon.
Frozen Horse
Well-known member
As always, there are shades within the Reform vote.
There were probably leave voters who just wanted to tell the EU to F off, regardless of what it did to the UK economy or anything else. They probably think it's been a huge success, and may keep voting Reform whatever.
Then there are those who voted leave, or Reform, believing that it will make their lives better. A fair few leave voters now regret their choice, but won't get a second chance to vote in it. However, the voters that Reform will disappoint will disappoint will get to vote again, for both parliament and for councils.
There were probably leave voters who just wanted to tell the EU to F off, regardless of what it did to the UK economy or anything else. They probably think it's been a huge success, and may keep voting Reform whatever.
Then there are those who voted leave, or Reform, believing that it will make their lives better. A fair few leave voters now regret their choice, but won't get a second chance to vote in it. However, the voters that Reform will disappoint will disappoint will get to vote again, for both parliament and for councils.
Norman_Conquest
Well-known member
I am sure we all saw Farage being interviewed after these local elections and they asked him what difference his new councillors would make, "They will stop the boats." The interviewer swiftly pointed out that it wasn't a councillor's job and he replied, "We will stop immigrants coming into these areas," and swiftly walked away.
TeessideCleveland
Well-known member
The reform cult will blame all failures on the left thwarting them - or leaving things in a terrible state before reform were voted in
They will never admit anything
They will never admit anything
HolgateCorner
Well-known member
I know two Reform voters who have good lives and live in decent areas.
But they have an unhealthy obsession with immigration.
But they have an unhealthy obsession with immigration.
NYboro
Well-known member
That seems to be all they care about.
Norman_Conquest
Well-known member
My brother-in-law, up to recently, lived in a posh area of South Kensington and has just moved permanently to his second home in Cambridge. Last weekend, they came to stay with us and he came out with a statement that only someone totally ferked up could make and then his wife tried to back him up on it.
He said, "The country's ferked with immigrants, they are coming in, claiming asylum and then leaving to go on holiday back to their own country before returning." Shocked at this, I asked them how they got through immigration, etc, "With their passports," and then started to tell me how they do it.
I normally let things go, but I had to call him out on how daft he was being, to which he replied, "It is only what I've heard."
WeeGord
Well-known member
I honestly think this, or certainly the next 12 months and into the next local elections will be the high watermark for Reform.
They've elected just anybody as councillors, many of whom have no real understanding of local politics, have never sat on councils and who will be exposed for current and historical idiocy as they come under more scrutiny.
I don’t know any Reform voter who didn't treat the local elections round here as a General Election. I can't see many more turning out in future elections who couldn't be bothered to vote this time around.
There's been tons of Labour and Tory voters who didn't vote for a multitude of reasons including protesting by not voting.
If there are indeed a flurry of local by elections because Reform candidates actually got elected and didn't really want to, then in a lot of instances it's likely that Reform won't get re-elected, especially if those in the ward who loaned them a vote feel let down.
I might be wrong, I often am, but I hope I'm right on this point.
They've elected just anybody as councillors, many of whom have no real understanding of local politics, have never sat on councils and who will be exposed for current and historical idiocy as they come under more scrutiny.
I don’t know any Reform voter who didn't treat the local elections round here as a General Election. I can't see many more turning out in future elections who couldn't be bothered to vote this time around.
There's been tons of Labour and Tory voters who didn't vote for a multitude of reasons including protesting by not voting.
If there are indeed a flurry of local by elections because Reform candidates actually got elected and didn't really want to, then in a lot of instances it's likely that Reform won't get re-elected, especially if those in the ward who loaned them a vote feel let down.
I might be wrong, I often am, but I hope I'm right on this point.
Osboro
Well-known member
I do not envy the role of any Councillor ( even the odd caring Tory), but I’m looking forward to the Reform nut jobs producing constant copy/content in their new roles as they discover there is no waste to cut and it dawns on them the amount of potentially personal responsibility they have in their new roles. Yep, it’s not all tea & buns plus expenses.
As someone has said, it’s a lot easier to shout from the sidelines.
As someone has said, it’s a lot easier to shout from the sidelines.
NYboro
Well-known member
Got to get to the important things first!
Albert_Park
Active member
Or as they are so patriotic, managing to get the name wrong. Calling it the Union Jack not Flag.
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TeaCider
Well-known member
Daft b***ds.
Probably get some of their own idiot supporters complaining that they can't fly the Shropshire flag now.