Red Wall Tories defecting to Labour

Very true TC. But I just cannot see a Tory having a Damascus moment and becoming a full blown member of the Labour party, believing in socialist policies, fair taxation and workers rights. If that was ever in their DNA they would never have become Tories in the first place.
 
Rather like Labour the Tory Party has several factions and I believe still contains a couple or so one nation types.
There's not a lot of difference between them and Starmer.
Didn't a Bury Conservative MP also defect a while back?
 
Rayman said:
Rather like Labour the Tory Party has several factions and I believe still contains a couple or so one nation types.
There's not a lot of difference between them and Starmer.
Didn't a Bury Conservative MP also defect a while back?
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Christian Wakeford.
 
Trug said:
Very true TC. But I just cannot see a Tory having a Damascus moment and becoming a full blown member of the Labour party, believing in socialist policies, fair taxation and workers rights. If that was ever in their DNA they would never have become Tories in the first place.
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Not necessarily, I know many that have flittered between voting for the two parties in the past usually centrists that find common ground with certain parts of both the parties.
 
Priv said:
Not necessarily, I know many that have flittered between voting for the two parties in the past usually centrists that find common ground with certain parts of both the parties.
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I agree Priv. But they did not become an MP on the basis of party's policies then decide to switch because their job was in danger.
 
To be honest I find this all a bit puzzling. The Tory Party has moved to the left, free money for energy bills, raising living wage above inflation at the time, raising taxes both on the public and on some private businesses, freezing tax allowances running up enormous public deficits, pushing (yet to shown if its working) for a levelling up of economic activity, want to stay out of the EU. The current Conserrvative seem closer to Labour under Blair than say Thatcher's Conservative Party.

I can see Thatcherites turning in their graves as the Tories were known as low tax, low spend, free marketeers, smaller government. None of this is current Tory actual policy in action.

The differences now seem to be Labour would spend a bit more on NHS, State schools (although this not as easy now as state schools are funded differently), increase higher rates of tax. Want to return to EU but not clear how they propose to do this or timescales. No firm proposals on how to level up the regions. I am told is all there if you read it the manifesto, but no one seems very keen to publicise the book. Which is frustrating as like many others I want a more equal society with better opportunities for low income groups all around the UK.
 
Trug said:
I agree Priv. But they did not become an MP on the basis of party's policies then decide to switch because their job was in danger.
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Maybe you are getting to the truth that being a MP is what matters most to some people i.e they bend in the wind to save their own skins, even bending 180 degrees if need be with a few of them.

I know Corbyn was not most people's cup of tea, but he did not bend a lot. OK he changed his clothes to new dark business suits from light coloured crumpled lecturers jacket, and he had to tow the party line on Europe, but in general he said a spade was spade and didn't play games. He seemed at times to be fighting his own MPs as much as the opposition, but he kept going. On the whole doing things for others more than for himself.
 
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Redwurzel said:
I can see Thatcherites turning in their graves as the Tories were known as low tax, low spend, free marketeers, smaller government. None of this is current Tory actual policy in action.
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The only problem is that most of that is lies. The state increased in size and central government took control of local tax raising decisions, taxation increased, they also blew away massive amounts of revenue on maintaining a high unemployed number of people.

The Tories were known as that because the media lied on their behalf and now it's being repeated.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
The only problem is that most of that is lies. The state increased in size and central government took control of local tax raising decisions, taxation increased, they also blew away massive amounts of revenue on maintaining a high unemployed number of people.

The Tories were known as that because the media lied on their behalf and now it's being repeated.
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Yep- VAT almost doubled, selling off council houses brought in taxes that would never have been dreamed of under Labour, Poll tax only benefited the very rich. In fact, the tax revenue under Thatcher was higher than even the high taxes of labour of the 60's. They just hid it very well by reducing income tax rates and putting the money lost onto VAT where the poorest were hit the hardest. When Thatcher got into power inflation was at 12%- when she left it was still at 12%, even with interest rates rising to 15%- Tories good with money! - my ar*e
 
Trug said:
Fk them- how could Labour trust them? They have supported the clown up to now and now when they look like losing their seats they want to jump ship. The worrying bit is that Labour are likely to accept them, even welcome them into the party. We can do without these sort of people.

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And why wouldn’t they - the Labour Party has already morphed into the Tory reserves team under Starmer anyway. Two cheeks of the same ****
 
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