Red bull ask for review

SmallTown said:
Yeah it's the dirty tricks thing. Like the time they had evidence that Lewi had ignored yellow flags in qualy. They waited until he was on the grid, knowing he'd get a grid penalty, so he had the psychological blow of being on first and then being pushed back down the grid. The could have complained on sat night for that one, and Lewis would have had to time to strategise and come to terms with his new position.
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Which is STs biggest fantasy - his F1 dream world or that he thinks he can change Brexit with his endless footy board messages
 
I'm very curious what they said about Hamilton too ST. The stewards mention it was inappropriate in their rejection reasoning too.
 
Red Bull submitted four pieces of evidence, which were all slides created by the team, to show:

◦ GPS data available to them of both Hamilton and Verstappen’s car
◦ GPS data drawing “various alleged comparisons" with the line taken by Hamilton when passing Charles Leclerc for the lead later in the race at the same corner
◦ Alleged lap simulations of the incident
◦ What was described as a “re-enactment” of Hamilton’s lap one line at Silverstone based on a lap allegedly driven by Alex Albon

The final piece of evidence was gathered during a filming day the team conducted with their reserve driver at Silverstone last Thursday.
After looking at the information presented to them, the stewards deemed it did not qualify as a “significant and relevant new element”.

They added that some of the slides were “not ‘discovered’ but created for the purposes of submissions to support the petition for review. And they were created based on evidence that was available at the time of the decisions. That clearly does not satisfy the requirements of Article 14.”
As a result they dismissed the request for a review, which means Hamilton’s penalty stands, as does his victory.

They added: “The Stewards note, with some concern, certain allegations [which have not been made public] made in the Competitor's above letter. Such allegations may or may not have been relevant to the Stewards if the Petition for Review had been granted. The Stewards may have addressed these allegations directly in any decision that would have followed. The Petition having been dismissed, the Stewards make no comments on those allegations.”
After the decision was announced, Mercedes released a statement accusing Red Bull of trying to "tarnish the good name and sporting integrity of Lewis Hamilton."
 
Chris_Boro said:
They "simulated" Hamiltons lap, with Red Bull's 2019 car with Albon driving in different conditions and tyres.

Think someone needs to tell Horner what simulation means.

Really is desperate stuff.
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Yeah I saw that. Just flat bizarre. I bet it didn’t even have a full tank of fuel in it
 
Even more weird if they used a 2019 RB car. There must be thousands of small differences between that and the Merc of today.
Christian Horner is just a winging little brat. Can’t stand him. As I said 2 weeks ago as well I think Max’s head has gone with this. Still harping on about disrespect.
 
Caesium137 said:
I'm very curious what they said about Hamilton too ST. The stewards mention it was inappropriate in their rejection reasoning too.
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Maybe they should have their budget hit for the remainder of the season for wasting time and being inappropriate

Horner does my t*ts in. He can’t manage drivers, he’s a bully, he’s a sore loser and shows classic victim behaviour on the accountability ladder
 
Caesium137 said:
Red Bull submitted four pieces of evidence, which were all slides created by the team, to show:

◦ GPS data available to them of both Hamilton and Verstappen’s car
◦ GPS data drawing “various alleged comparisons" with the line taken by Hamilton when passing Charles Leclerc for the lead later in the race at the same corner
◦ Alleged lap simulations of the incident
◦ What was described as a “re-enactment” of Hamilton’s lap one line at Silverstone based on a lap allegedly driven by Alex Albon

The final piece of evidence was gathered during a filming day the team conducted with their reserve driver at Silverstone last Thursday.
After looking at the information presented to them, the stewards deemed it did not qualify as a “significant and relevant new element”.

They added that some of the slides were “not ‘discovered’ but created for the purposes of submissions to support the petition for review. And they were created based on evidence that was available at the time of the decisions. That clearly does not satisfy the requirements of Article 14.”
As a result they dismissed the request for a review, which means Hamilton’s penalty stands, as does his victory.

They added: “The Stewards note, with some concern, certain allegations [which have not been made public] made in the Competitor's above letter. Such allegations may or may not have been relevant to the Stewards if the Petition for Review had been granted. The Stewards may have addressed these allegations directly in any decision that would have followed. The Petition having been dismissed, the Stewards make no comments on those allegations.”
After the decision was announced, Mercedes released a statement accusing Red Bull of trying to "tarnish the good name and sporting integrity of Lewis Hamilton."
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So much time invested by red bull to prove a point. A lot of mental energy wasted by the whole team no doubt, to be basically be laughed out by the stewards

horner really can’t let something go, I also thought they over the top language in the immediate aftermath
 
RB are desperate for excuses when the basic fact is if Verstaapen and Hamilton were both in a Red Bull car Hamilton would still win because (and this is what irks them) Verstaapen has too many mistakes in him whether unforced or not. In someone who drives by the seat of his pants this will always be the case.
 
GazC_MFC said:
So much time invested by red bull to prove a point. A lot of mental energy wasted by the whole team no doubt, to be basically be laughed out by the stewards

horner really can’t let something go, I also thought they over the top language in the immediate aftermath
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I thought that was crazy, the language him and helmut used straight after but. If you listen to Max radio after the crash you can see the concern and why they would be emotional.
Now Max is better and they’ve has a couple of weeks to think and calm down there is no excuse for what they are saying now
 
I do worry for the brand image of Red Bull after this. For ages they have been seen as the plucky under dog, sticking it to the big factory teams.

Now they have just proven just what they are willing to do to gain a competitive advantage. Its not a good look for them, and people will remember the bitter aftertaste its leaving.

I have never taken to Horner, and its not just because he cheated on his wife of 14 years and left his kids for a Spice Girl.
 
SmallTown said:
I thought that was crazy, the language him and helmut used straight after but. If you listen to Max radio after the crash you can see the concern and why they would be emotional.
Now Max is better and they’ve has a couple of weeks to think and calm down there is no excuse for what they are saying now
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Agreed, max will be listening to those around him and he will be feeding in that rhetoric.
 
Billy69_uk said:
I do worry for the brand image of Red Bull after this. For ages they have been seen as the plucky under dog, sticking it to the big factory teams.

Now they have just proven just what they are willing to do to gain a competitive advantage. Its not a good look for them, and people will remember the bitter aftertaste its leaving.

I have never taken to Horner, and its not just because he cheated on his wife of 14 years and left his kids for a Spice Girl.
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I actually didn’t mind Horner before all this. Thought he was the right blend of softly spoken and very ruthless. Now the softly spoken but is cracking and the ruthlessness is turning to vindictiveness. It’s not a great look
 
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