Raw Sewage Scandal

Laughing said:
Truss removed the monitoring funding too making waste water treatment an honesty system.

We are in Scotland at the minute and you can physically see the difference in seawater quality when compared to England. It really is that obvious.
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What do you mean you can physically see the difference when compared to England?
 
Laughing said:
Truss removed the monitoring funding too making waste water treatment an honesty system.

We are in Scotland at the minute and you can physically see the difference in seawater quality when compared to England. It really is that obvious.
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Yet the Environment Agency has;

  • Increased the number of overflows monitored across the network 15-fold - from 800 in 2016 to more than 12,000 in 2020. All 15,000 overflows will have them by the end of 2023. The vast majority of monitors (87%) operated for more than 90% of the time last year (2021).
  • Asked companies to install new flow monitors on more than 2,000 wastewater treatment works to identify what is happening at those works during the sewage treatment process itself. This has led to a major investigation, announced in November 2021, with the EA requesting more detailed data from all wastewater treatment works.
  • Agreed to increase transparency around when and how storm overflows are used through the work of the Storm Overflows Taskforce – made up of Defra, the Environment Agency, Ofwat, Consumer Council for Water, Blueprint for Water and Water UK
  • Respond to all serious pollution incidents and where offences are identified, these are investigated and enforcement action taken in line with the Environment Agency Enforcement and Sanctions Policy.
So hopefully some progress is being made and it doesn't look as though it is an honesty system.
 
Laughing said:
Truss removed the monitoring funding too making waste water treatment an honesty system.

We are in Scotland at the minute and you can physically see the difference in seawater quality when compared to England. It really is that obvious.
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Agree with this, scotlands water is decent. The English beaches are grotesque these days. I wouldn’t take my kids anywhere near them.
 
Millbrook said:
Yet the Environment Agency has;

  • Increased the number of overflows monitored across the network 15-fold - from 800 in 2016 to more than 12,000 in 2020. All 15,000 overflows will have them by the end of 2023. The vast majority of monitors (87%) operated for more than 90% of the time last year (2021).
  • Asked companies to install new flow monitors on more than 2,000 wastewater treatment works to identify what is happening at those works during the sewage treatment process itself. This has led to a major investigation, announced in November 2021, with the EA requesting more detailed data from all wastewater treatment works.
  • Agreed to increase transparency around when and how storm overflows are used through the work of the Storm Overflows Taskforce – made up of Defra, the Environment Agency, Ofwat, Consumer Council for Water, Blueprint for Water and Water UK
  • Respond to all serious pollution incidents and where offences are identified, these are investigated and enforcement action taken in line with the Environment Agency Enforcement and Sanctions Policy.
So hopefully some progress is being made and it doesn't look as though it is an honesty system.
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None of which addresses the problem that they continue to spew raw sewage, pay huge dividends and bonuses while not investing in the infrastructure.
 
Millbrook said:
Yet the Environment Agency has;

  • Increased the number of overflows monitored across the network 15-fold - from 800 in 2016 to more than 12,000 in 2020. All 15,000 overflows will have them by the end of 2023. The vast majority of monitors (87%) operated for more than 90% of the time last year (2021).
  • Asked companies to install new flow monitors on more than 2,000 wastewater treatment works to identify what is happening at those works during the sewage treatment process itself. This has led to a major investigation, announced in November 2021, with the EA requesting more detailed data from all wastewater treatment works.
  • Agreed to increase transparency around when and how storm overflows are used through the work of the Storm Overflows Taskforce – made up of Defra, the Environment Agency, Ofwat, Consumer Council for Water, Blueprint for Water and Water UK
  • Respond to all serious pollution incidents and where offences are identified, these are investigated and enforcement action taken in line with the Environment Agency Enforcement and Sanctions Policy.
So hopefully some progress is being made and it doesn't look as though it is an honesty system.
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Would this be the same Environment Agency that has reassured us that there's nothing to worry about re our dead crabs?
 
Alex-The-Kid said:
Agree with this, scotlands water is decent. The English beaches are grotesque these days. I wouldn’t take my kids anywhere near them.
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There have been plenty at Saltburn beach this week and it was wonderful there. Packed with tourists from all over not just Teesside.
But the raw sewage is a national scandal, no argument with that.
 
rob_fmttm said:
There have been plenty at Saltburn beach this week and it was wonderful there. Packed with tourists from all over not just Teesside.
But the raw sewage is a national scandal, no argument with that.
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I’m purely talking about the water Rob, agreed there are some lovely beaches but the sea water is rancid which is a huge shame.
 
NYboro said:
None of which addresses the problem that they continue to spew raw sewage, pay huge dividends and bonuses while not investing in the infrastructure.
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I believe that Ministers announced plans to force water companies to spend £56 billion to stop sewage discharge. By 2035 they will have to improve all storm overflows near every bathing spot and 75% of those near protected nature sites.

Much needed developments.
 
Millbrook said:
I believe that Ministers announced plans to force water companies to spend £56 billion to stop sewage discharge. By 2035 they will have to improve all storm overflows near every bathing spot and 75% of those near protected nature sites.

Much needed developments.
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Water bills will be increasing if that's the case. No way will the water companies lower dividends or profits.
 
Richyboro said:
Water bills will be increasing if that's the case. No way will the water companies lower dividends or profits.
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Not necessarily as the companies are regulated and Ofwat has a duty to balance customer interests with the need to ensure the sector can finance the cost of delivering the water and sewage services.

It's unlikely the whole cost will be passed on to customers.
 
Millbrook said:
I believe that Ministers announced plans to force water companies to spend £56 billion to stop sewage discharge. By 2035 they will have to improve all storm overflows near every bathing spot and 75% of those near protected nature sites.

Much needed developments.
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13 years and it would still be only 75% complete. Why does everything take so ******* long?
 
Millbrook said:
Yet the Environment Agency has;

  • Increased the number of overflows monitored across the network 15-fold - from 800 in 2016 to more than 12,000 in 2020. All 15,000 overflows will have them by the end of 2023. The vast majority of monitors (87%) operated for more than 90% of the time last year (2021).
  • Asked companies to install new flow monitors on more than 2,000 wastewater treatment works to identify what is happening at those works during the sewage treatment process itself. This has led to a major investigation, announced in November 2021, with the EA requesting more detailed data from all wastewater treatment works.
  • Agreed to increase transparency around when and how storm overflows are used through the work of the Storm Overflows Taskforce – made up of Defra, the Environment Agency, Ofwat, Consumer Council for Water, Blueprint for Water and Water UK
  • Respond to all serious pollution incidents and where offences are identified, these are investigated and enforcement action taken in line with the Environment Agency Enforcement and Sanctions Policy.
So hopefully some progress is being made and it doesn't look as though it is an honesty system.
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I would largely disagree with that. Finding on monitoring has been more than halved. Some sewage is not monitored at all one its entered our watetways. Its an honesty system.
 
ThePrisoner said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that is not reliable scientific evidence :D
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Of course it isn't. However it was as clear as day to the naked eye. Even my 11 year old daughter mentioned it when swimming in calgary Bay. She asked why the water was see through
 
Laughing said:
I would largely disagree with that. Finding on monitoring has been more than halved. Some sewage is not monitored at all one its entered our watetways. Its an honesty system.
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Well I guess it's either factual or it isn't. See my other post on expenditure on improvements.

No way am I defending them just pointing out that it seems the issue has been acknowledged and action taken.
 
BaronSmoggie said:
13 years and it would still be only 75% complete. Why does everything take so ******* long?
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Because it requires some significant engineering work and the numbers involved I guess but yes quicker would be better. The 75% is for those near protected nature sites. It's 100% for bathing areas.
 
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