Rate the Riverside managers

1. McClaren
2. Robson
3. Karanka
4. Wilder
5. Warnock
6. Venables
7. Pulis
8. Strachan
9. Mowbray
10. Southgate
11. Woodgate
12. Monk
 
I'm going to ignore the v short term caretakers. We needed caretakers for a reason.

Smac
Karanka
Venables
Robson
Wilder
Mowbray

Then a big gap

Pulis
Warnock

Agnew
Strachan
Woodgate

Monk
Southgate
 
If we go up this season I'd like us to do what we didn't do with Karanka and that is stick with him and give him another chance in the championship.
Good to see you've already relegated us if we do go up.


1) Robson - I can't think of any other manager who could have done what he did.
2) McClaren - won a trophy.
3) Karanka - brought some good times back after years of turgidity.
4) Venables - pity we couldn't have brought him back to work with Southgate.
4) Mowbray - it is what it is.
5) Pulis / Warnock - have they ever been seen in the same room together?
7) Southgate - out of ideas but had some depth.
8) Woodgate - out of his depth but had some ideas.
9) Monk - Bad man
10) Strachan - Mad man.
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25) Agnew - he wasn't a caretaker, he's a very naughty manager.

Wilder - time will tell but I think we're definitely looking at top 3.
 
Mclaren will be hard to beat - ever! But for the pure feelgood factor, the Robson era was ultra exciting.
I honestly thought we could win league titles with what he was building - maybe we should have (Newcastle probably say the same - and probably will have another shot at it).
 
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Good to see you've already relegated us if we do go up.
Haha. I missed out "if it doesn't go well 1st time". Wilder has experience of stepping up so I'd be more confident of us stopping up or at least putting up a fight to do so. I am confident that he will get us promoted, either this season or next.

My point was purely down to giving a manager time. There are some managers we have had where more time would've put us in a worse state long term. More Pulis type players would have taken even longer to undo etc but Wilder is building something that will improve with access to better players. Throwing a manager away after half a bad season in the PL and starting from square one when back in the championship set us back significantly with the last relegation. Norwich trusted Farke to get them promoted again and the continuity worked.
 
Difficult because you have to rate them in the context they managed. Possibly fairest to only include managers who started a season as manager because, at least in theory, they had some time to build a team in pre-season

* McClaren - you can't argue with his track record but he was an utter slimeball. Arrived with a reputation as a superb coach but mostly bought success with players who had no resale value. Utterly cynical and self-interested.
* Mowbray - turned us around after a really bad period but couldn't take us forward.
* Karanka - turned out to be a poundshop Mourinho but for about 2 years he dragged us up through rage and determination.
* Southgate - handed a poison chalice. When you consider how he came into it cold and managed to keep us up for a while before gravity and finances killed us, it's clear that he did a lot better than I recognised at the time. Should never have been appointed though.
* Warnock - the right man for about 6 months. Had to manage during the 'rona and kept us on the road but it quickly became a road to nowhere.
* Pulis - most tedious football imaginable and more interested in his own image than managing us but baseline competence and did at least spot that Traore was something special.
* Robson - an old-fashioned cheque-book manager who managed to squander Gibson's money and was completely unable to manage or build a team.
* Monk - I don't know what went on behind the scenes. On a paper he was a young, progressive manager who was starting to build a reputation. Utterly screwed us over with his purchases and seemed to have no clue about how to use them.
* Woodgate - part of Gibson's Gate madness. Should never have been appointed. Might find redemption as a manager elsewhere. Nice ideas but no idea about how to implement them
* Strachan - I thought he was a good idea at the time. I was wrong. If you took all the worst parts of Warnock and Pulis and married them, you would have Strachan. The one thing I will say though is that he realised he had lost it and left honourably

In the same way that you can spot when a player starts and you know they will be a success, you can tell with Wilder is on track to be the best manager of the Riverside era. The only other manager to come close is Venables. He took Robson's failing players and made them into a team that would have been challenging for the top half next season. Both Wilder and Venables have shown that a top class manager is worth far more than any number of players.
 
Unfair to include Wilder this early on

1. McLaren
2. Robson
3. Karanka
4. Venables
5. Warnock
6. Mowbray
7. Southgate

The top three is a given surely. Robson comes ahead of Karanka for me, maybe as i was young and just really understanding and fully into football but it was a great time, cup finals, promotions, great players etc. Karanka got the good times back after years of complete rubbish but not a patch on the Robson era. McLaren is untouched regardless if the style of football was not always great.

Venables helped save us and Warnock did exactly the same, without him we had a strong chance of being in league 1 and who knows where we would be today. For that he deserves credit and compared to the rest of that list he achieved something
 
Wonderful… Wilderness

Won Promotion… Robbo/Karanka

Won a Cup… McLaren

Won a cup and saucer… Tel

Won a header… Mogga

Won by a nose… Southgate

Won nowt… Warnout/Pulis

Wonky donkeys… Woody/Agnew/Monk
 
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1. McLaren. Winner, Europe, Finals, highest league position.
2. Robson. Charismatic catalyst without whom none of it would have happened.
3. Venables. Stopped a disastrous relegation and stabilised the club.
4. Karanka. Breathed new life and belief into an ailing club.

5. Mowbray. Did well on a shoestring cleating the Strachan mess and building Karanka's foundation.
6. Warnock. Saved the club from League One certainty. Did the job pulis was supposed to do re clearing the decks and slashing the wage bill.

7. Southgate. Out of his depth at a tender age, but got worse in the job.

8. Strachan. Made a disappointing slide desperate inside nine months.

9. Monk. Totally incompetent, what the hell was Gibson thinking?

10 pulis. A liar, a fraud, an idiot and by far the worst in charge of Boro ever.

I haven't counted the caretakers like Cooper, Agnew, Venus and Liddle.

I am hoping Wilder could turn out gate crashing that Top 2 and he could do so as early as the end of May.
 
McLaren - we won things!
Robson/Venables - got us up, got us to some finals, kept us up
Southgate - two seasons of mid table in the Prem is a great achievement, who wouldnt take that now?
Karanka - got us promoted but was an arrogant so and so, got us relegated
Pulis - nearly got us up but god was it dull
Warnock - stopped us from being relegated, turned into Mike Bassett, everything was someone else's fault, glad he's gone
Mowbray - turned it around after Strachan but we ended up back where we started
Monk - rubbish, spent all the money and left us with a gash squad
Strachan - OMG...
 
Wilder's managed 20 games for us so far, Venables was only here for 25 games, Monk was only here for 26.

I think it's fine to include him on your judgement of how he's been so far.


My list:

1. McClaren - Best period in the club's history because it led to our only major trophy, regardless of anything else.

2. Robson - Promotion, 3 finals, relegation and a few mid table finishes. Nearly relegated us again in the end.
I'm not really sure he did that good a job when you consider how heavily he was bankrolled and who he had at his disposal, but given how most of the rest did, he's got to be put up near the top

3. Karanka - 1 salvage season, 2 superb seasons, 1 dreadful one. Steered the club back on track, even if it was a sadly brief period.

4. Venebles - Came in with us in the bottom 3 of the Premier League, and helped keep us up fairly comfortably in the end.

5. Wilder - An exceptional start that I hope continues, playing enjoyable football and progressing on all fronts.

6. Southgate - Kept us mid table in the top flight for 2 seasons, 3 FA Cup quarter finals, sadly relegated us in an awful third season, sacked before you could fully judge the Championship season.
Didn't do a great job, but then excluding the cup runs he didn't do much different to Bryan Robson.

7. Mowbray - Briefly debated having him below Pulis but I think the fact he took over a harder salvage job and worked on a shoe string makes it harder to criticise the ultimate failure and inferior points finishes.
Never managed to consistently get to the heights expected of him, but laid the groundwork for the future with some key signings.
Really wish it had worked out for him.

8. Pulis - Took over midway through a season, got us in to the play-offs whilst utilising Traore correctly. Second season went south near the end, but two of the teams above us were cheating and we still only finished 1 point outside of the play-offs. Dull football, embarassing cup exits, but still managed better results than every other Championship manager we've had since relegation bar Karanka (and Wilder so far).
Wasted money on some duff signings and led to Bamford's unnecessary exit, but at least McNair has worked out in the end.

9. Warnock - Took over with us in trouble, kept us up comfortably in the end, I'll always be thankful for that.
Promised plenty in the next season and a quarter but didn't deliver consistently and it was the right time to let him go.
Signings were largely poor, bar Matt Crooks.

10. Agnew - Took over in tough circumstances, yet somehow had us playing worse. Should have given Dimi an appearance when relegation was conformed.
Wasn't here for long and we were struggling before him, so I'm not judging him as harshly.

11. Woodgate - Dealt a bad hand when it came to transfer funding but somehow had a squad that was comfortably good enough to be mid-table and above in a relegation battle in the Championship.
Awful manager for us, only this high in the rankings because of the circumstances of his appointment and the fact he was given an Inexperienced coaching staff alongside him.

12. Strachan - ***** signings, ***** football, ***** results, and an utter ****. Would be bottom if not for Monk's off the field antics.

13. Monk - Given more money to spend in one window than any manager in our history, spunked it away on dodgy deals and in positions we didn't need.
Sacked because he was a corrupt little b****d and couldn't be trusted.
Without Monk, we might have been in a far healthier place far sooner, even if it was still in the Championship.
No charisma, little clue on the pitch and he's the only manager we've had where I just didn't care what he had to say about anything.
 
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Karanka
Wilder (early days but overachieving)
Robson
McLaren (underachieved)
Venables

How on earth can you say McLaren underachieved? What did you expect him to do? Turn us into a champions league team and challenge for the premier league title, because that's the only way he could have achieved more than he did.
Easily our most successful manager.
 
Gary Monk confuses me. I had high hopes, like I naively always do when we bring in a new manager. I think the "smash the league" mentality was still in place around the club at the time - and that was not from Monk himself. The signings were rubber stamped from higher up, and presumably within the budget he was given?

He massively overpaid for Fletcher. I can understand some of his other signings, Howson is still going strong, Britt was expensive but a proven goal scorer and Randolph is the best keeper that we have had since Skippy.

Shoddy defense under him can be laid at his door. And I do get the feeling that everything that went on at the time has not properly been revealed. Have we ever got the bottom of these agents fees etc?

Now, I am not saying that Monk does not deserve a place at the bottom of the list along with Stachan, it's just that the whole episode seems a bit bizarre looking back.
 
Inspired by the Warnock thread and unashamedly lifted from the midfielders thread I thought this might be an interesting one. So here are the Riverside managers in chronological order (ignore the caretakers I guess):

Robson
Venables
McClaren
Southgate
Cooper
Strachan
Agnew (1)
Mowbray
Venus
Karanka
Agnew (2)
Monk
Liddle
Pulis
Woodgate
Warnock
Wilder

And my pick from best to worst (accepting it’s really early days for Wilder):

1. McClaren
2. Karanka
3. Wilder
4. Venables
5. Robson
6. Mowbray
7. Southgate
8. Warnock
9. Woodgate
10. Pulis
11. Strachan
12. Monk

Pick a top 5 or 10 or whatever.
Not arguing with that, my opinion on Karanka is different, but in the whole fully agree.
 
How on earth can you say McLaren underachieved? What did you expect him to do? Turn us into a champions league team and challenge for the premier league title, because that's the only way he could have achieved more than he did.
Easily our most successful manager.
He’s our most successful manager, but we we’re probably the 5th best squad in the league under him. I think we should have just been missing out on champions league football rather than scraping Europa league football
 
How on earth can you say McLaren underachieved? What did you expect him to do? Turn us into a champions league team and challenge for the premier league title, because that's the only way he could have achieved more than he did.
Easily our most successful manager.
I think we had about the 9th-14th biggest budget while he was with us, he over achieved on that.
 
He’s our most successful manager, but we we’re probably the 5th best squad in the league under him. I think we should have just been missing out on champions league football rather than scraping Europa league football
He gave me more enjoyment, followed by Robson than any time I have watched since the mid 60's

I would vote for him for Mayor of Teesside simply for Ostrava away.
 
I had McClaren 2/3rds down my list, and not one person argued against it, albeit most had him #1 or #2, I'm surprised by that.
 
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