Pubs - last service to be re-opened

The truth is Johnson has hamstrung himself due to backbench pressure. He has promised a no reversal on easing lockdown. That means he has to be sure that opening up is the right thing to do. If he were to open up too early and go back into lockdown he is done as pm and he knows it.

It has very little to do with science and everything to do with Johnson placating his back benchers.

I do have to say, I would rather see a cautious re-opening than another lockdown, not withstanding that the business' that are allowed to open now are hardly "essential"
 
Let's see how it plays out the goalposts are being shifted yet again but you know let's give them the benefit of doubt again. Let's follow that science even though it's hidden from public view.

On a personal note I'm sorry that this will undoubtedly affect you @Randy.
 
It’ll be interesting to see what is allowed when parliament breaks for a two week break over Easter. I imagine the science and data will lead to more over that period.
 
Beer gardens should be open very soon imho. Little chance of catching Covid, compared to ones indoor trip to Tesco (and certainly Morrisons)
 
Randy said:
Probably but nothing I can do about it.

There are worse off operations and venues than ours in the country. I asked the same question on twitter regarding vaccines and freedoms and still nobody can answer or flat out refuses to. Tells me all I need to know. Some part of me strangely hopes Sunak cements the closure of the job retention scheme when it's scheduled to stop. That'll wake a few people up.
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Typical of your mentality to wish hardship on other people as a “wake up”.
 
TommyPlus said:
Typical of your mentality to wish hardship on other people as a “wake up”.
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It's not wishing hardship at all. It's a reality check.
Or do you actually believe the magic money tree exists and the Tory party are the generous, people loving party they'd have you believe they are? 😂
 
So hoping that the chancellor stops supporting people who are unable to work isn’t wishing hardship on others? Do you actually read what you type before posting?
 
TommyPlus said:
So hoping that the chancellor stops supporting people who are unable to work isn’t wishing hardship on others? Do you actually read what you type before posting?
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It won't be hardship though as all buisness that have used the furlough scheme to protect jobs will open up to continue to protect and provide jobs.

Or the chancellor can launch a universal basic income model.

Are you on furlough? I am and it sucks. 😀
 
So you are saying that Sunak will stop the furlough scheme as a way to force businesses to reopen? Isn't that the tail wagging the dog?
I am not and have never been on furlough but I can believe it sucks. You do have my genuine sympathies in that regard.
 
Time we managed activities sensibly - this piecemeal "strategy" is unsustainable.
Time we reinvested in our health service - with appropriate local - based services and hospitals - far more responsive to local conditions.
Totally opposite to austerity ideology, but one thing the last year has highlighted is how the public sector picks up the ticket in times of crisis and highest demand.
Were is BUPA and the "private" [privileged] health sector when it comes to mass vaccination, care and support?
 
r00fie1 said:
Time we managed activities sensibly - this piecemeal "strategy" is unsustainable.
Time we reinvested in our health service - with appropriate local - based services and hospitals - far more responsive to local conditions.
Totally opposite to austerity ideology, but one thing the last year has highlighted is how the public sector picks up the ticket in times of crisis and highest demand.
Were is BUPA and the "private" [privileged] health sector when it comes to mass vaccination, care and support?
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Roofie, I suspect they are too busy with ingrowing toenails and frozen shoulders to help out.
 
TommyPlus said:
So you are saying that Sunak will stop the furlough scheme as a way to force businesses to reopen? Isn't that the tail wagging the dog?
I am not and have never been on furlough but I can believe it sucks. You do have my genuine sympathies in that regard.
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He did it last year, reduction in monthly contributions.
 
Randy said:
He did it last year, reduction in monthly contributions.
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I meant more in terms of acting in defiance of the official government timetable for reopening. Surely any business would be ready to reopen on the very first day they were legally allowed.
 
r00fie1 said:
Time we managed activities sensibly - this piecemeal "strategy" is unsustainable.
Time we reinvested in our health service - with appropriate local - based services and hospitals - far more responsive to local conditions.
Totally opposite to austerity ideology, but one thing the last year has highlighted is how the public sector picks up the ticket in times of crisis and highest demand.
Were is BUPA and the "private" [privileged] health sector when it comes to mass vaccination, care and support?
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Some of the private hospitals where I am are undertaking the day case NHS surgery (I dont know the costs of these to the taxpayer) and also using ward facilities for NHS patients as "clean" units. I'm all for jumping on the private sector as they do mop up the easy NHS stuff that makes money and step over those with much more significant health burden/ risk/ cost but they are involved in the bigger Covid efforts.
 
By mid April it appears all the priority groups will be vaccinated which is completely different to say the mid July 2020 period when restriction were lifted last time. I can't understand why can't reopen pubs and restaurants with social distancing rules from mid April. Road Traffic is about 75% the same as normal now from what I observe and when schools fully open it will be more like 85% normal, so people are obviously mixing to a significant degree now and infections are dropping.

The virus is finding it harder to spread, because of vaccinations (approx 28% of adults done), better PPE rules, herd immunity (25% of adults have now had Covid), we have also implemented some effective rules on travelling into the UK (its only taken 10.5 months!) and of course much more testing than in the past. My sister in law has to teast twice a week, because she is a nurse. So infections are been picked up much quicker. We also still have track and trace that has some positive impact but not as much as we all hoped. . When you are positive or close to someone that is you are bombarded with calls and messages. Food and medicine deliveries are made to your home if you need them. It happened to a relative of mine in Eston in November.

In my area there are less than 1 in 1500 infections. I know the hospital numbers are high (20,000 in the UK), but a lot of this is a legacy from allowing people to mix fairly freely at Xmas when Covid has more of free rein. People can be in hospital for months with Covid not just weeks. My elderly neighbour was in hospital for something else in early January and caught Covid in the hospital and it took her 6 weeks to recover.
 
Around 40% of cases 'in hospital' @Redwurzel are patients who go to hospital for something else and contract covid in the hospital. Your neighbour is not alone.

The economic devastation is coming like a tsunami and it really worries me. I hope you all cope ok.
 
Redwurzel said:
By mid April it appears all the priority groups will be vaccinated which is completely different to say the mid July 2020 period when restriction were lifted last time. I can't understand why can't reopen pubs and restaurants with social distancing rules from mid April. Road Traffic is about 75% the same as normal now from what I observe and when schools fully open it will be more like 85% normal, so people are obviously mixing to a significant degree now and infections are dropping.

The virus is finding it harder to spread, because of vaccinations (approx 28% of adults done), better PPE rules, herd immunity (25% of adults have now had Covid), we have also implemented some effective rules on travelling into the UK (its only taken 10.5 months!) and of course much more testing than in the past. My sister in law has to teast twice a week, because she is a nurse. So infections are been picked up much quicker. We also still have track and trace that has some positive impact but not as much as we all hoped. . When you are positive or close to someone that is you are bombarded with calls and messages. Food and medicine deliveries are made to your home if you need them. It happened to a relative of mine in Eston in November.

In my area there are less than 1 in 1500 infections. I know the hospital numbers are high (20,000 in the UK), but a lot of this is a legacy from allowing people to mix fairly freely at Xmas when Covid has more of free rein. People can be in hospital for months with Covid not just weeks. My elderly neighbour was in hospital for something else in early January and caught Covid in the hospital and it took her 6 weeks to recover.
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Same happened to two residents in the care home my wife works. All staff and residents are treated weekly. These two residents both required hospital treatment since xmas, both tested positive after a few days in hospital. The hospitals released the two residents once treatment for the afflictions had been completed without testing them first. It's an absolute disgrace.
Luckily the care home my wife works had superb infection control measures but it meant all families of staff working there essentially had to self isolate for 10 days to be on the safe side which me and the kids have done.
But people blame anything but the hospitals....
 
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