Prior to today's knee bending and booing...

Smogonthethames

Active member
John Humphries writes for the silent majority.

"But there will be many in that stadium who will not boo. Nor will they applaud.

They will have been as horrified as the rest of us at the slow, agonising murder of a black man at the hands of a white policeman in the United States a year ago.

They will have perfectly good relationships with people who have skin of a different colour. Some will marry them. Some will neither notice the colour difference nor care about it. They believe that we are all the same under the skin.
So why won't they applaud the knee-takers?

I suspect that many resent being forced to prove that they are decent human beings who don't have a racist bone in their bodies. They resent having to answer the 'are you with us or against us?' challenge. And why should they?


Quite simply because they believe the way they lead their lives answers that question for them. They want to be judged by their deeds and not their words.

There's something else, too.

They suspect that taking the knee is more about showing support for the organisation behind the gesture than it is about showing respect for people with black skin.


They do not want to support BLM, a movement with its roots in America whose founders have admitted they want to destroy capitalism and defund the police.

They reject the idea that racism is the only legitimate prism through which we should see the world. They don't like seeing statues being pulled down, buildings renamed, heroes shamed and feeling they should apologise for having a white skin.

They don't like being told: if you're with us you should applaud those who take the knee. If you're not with us you are a racist. They're pretty good at spotting virtue signalling when they see it and it makes them very uneasy.

So they don't applaud and they don't boo. Instead, they just try to get on with their lives. What makes them uneasy is what they see as extremism.

They don't want to be foot soldiers in the woke war."

full article below

 
John Humphries writes for the silent majority.

"But there will be many in that stadium who will not boo. Nor will they applaud.

They will have been as horrified as the rest of us at the slow, agonising murder of a black man at the hands of a white policeman in the United States a year ago.

They will have perfectly good relationships with people who have skin of a different colour. Some will marry them. Some will neither notice the colour difference nor care about it. They believe that we are all the same under the skin.
So why won't they applaud the knee-takers?

I suspect that many resent being forced to prove that they are decent human beings who don't have a racist bone in their bodies. They resent having to answer the 'are you with us or against us?' challenge. And why should they?

Quite simply because they believe the way they lead their lives answers that question for them. They want to be judged by their deeds and not their words.

There's something else, too.

They suspect that taking the knee is more about showing support for the organisation behind the gesture than it is about showing respect for people with black skin.


They do not want to support BLM, a movement with its roots in America whose founders have admitted they want to destroy capitalism and defund the police.

They reject the idea that racism is the only legitimate prism through which we should see the world. They don't like seeing statues being pulled down, buildings renamed, heroes shamed and feeling they should apologise for having a white skin.

They don't like being told: if you're with us you should applaud those who take the knee. If you're not with us you are a racist. They're pretty good at spotting virtue signalling when they see it and it makes them very uneasy.

So they don't applaud and they don't boo. Instead, they just try to get on with their lives. What makes them uneasy is what they see as extremism.

They don't want to be foot soldiers in the woke war."

full article below

Iam genuinely amazed by how many people still don't grasp what taking the knee is about.
Neither applauding or booing is fine.
Absolutely no one is telling them to do otherwise.
 
Our kneeling footballers are supporting an organisation that has collected 90 million in donations, the leader of which has acquired houses in predominantly white rich areas, their agenda is to defund the police, get rid of capitalism, looting, destroying ancient statues and anything else that gets in their way, the people booing are not bad people but have more common sense than the brainwashed footballers.
 
Our kneeling footballers are supporting an organisation that has collected 90 million in donations, the leader of which has acquired houses in predominantly white rich areas, their agenda is to defund the police, get rid of capitalism, looting, destroying ancient statues and anything else that gets in their way, the people booing are not bad people but have more common sense than the brainwashed footballers.
Another one who fails to understand what it's about
 
John Humphries writes for the silent majority.

"But there will be many in that stadium who will not boo. Nor will they applaud.

They will have been as horrified as the rest of us at the slow, agonising murder of a black man at the hands of a white policeman in the United States a year ago.

They will have perfectly good relationships with people who have skin of a different colour. Some will marry them. Some will neither notice the colour difference nor care about it. They believe that we are all the same under the skin.
So why won't they applaud the knee-takers?

I suspect that many resent being forced to prove that they are decent human beings who don't have a racist bone in their bodies. They resent having to answer the 'are you with us or against us?' challenge. And why should they?


Quite simply because they believe the way they lead their lives answers that question for them. They want to be judged by their deeds and not their words.

There's something else, too.

They suspect that taking the knee is more about showing support for the organisation behind the gesture than it is about showing respect for people with black skin.


They do not want to support BLM, a movement with its roots in America whose founders have admitted they
Our kneeling footballers are supporting an organisation that has collected 90 million in donations, the leader of which has acquired houses in predominantly white rich areas, their agenda is to defund the police, get rid of capitalism, looting, destroying ancient statues and anything else that gets in their way, the people booing are not bad people but have more common sense than the brainwashed footballers.
No they aren’t, if you think they are or claiming they are you are either deliberately conflating the situation or you don’t get it
 
I don’t think any amount of times the FA release a statement or Southgate or the players say it in a press conference people are still going to associate it with BLM.

Taking the knee in this this country started with BLM, when the players had it on the back of their shirts, there were BLM banners in stadiums, it was on the screen on Sky and the pundits wore badges.

It seems the gesture is never going to be disassociated with BLM, and whilst I think they are right to make a gesture about equality and racism, taking the knee has clearly caused division.
 
Thanks for starting that thread on knee bending @Smogonthethames I hadn't seen one previously.

I'm grateful it's a priority for you to bring it up 1st thing this morning particularly as England play their opening game today and need all of our support.

Oh, and a football player nearly died on the pitch last night.
 
Last edited:
I don’t think any amount of times the FA release a statement or Southgate or the players say it in a press conference people are still going to associate it with BLM.

Taking the knee in this this country started with BLM, when the players had it on the back of their shirts, there were BLM banners in stadiums, it was on the screen on Sky and the pundits wore badges.

It seems the gesture is never going to be disassociated with BLM, and whilst I think they are right to make a gesture about equality and racism, taking the knee has clearly caused division.
Well more blame the people for not getting it.
 
Taking the Knee seems to been appropriated by, or at least become strongly associated with, the Black Lives Matter movement which some see as a Marxist organisation aiming for the overthrow of capitalism, disrupting the "Western inspired Nuclear Family" and defunding the police among other things.

Maybe those booing feel unhappy at the national football team apparently endorsing this political movement by adopting it's symbol. The footballers claim that they are taking the knee purely as a gesture against racism and that those booing are missing the point. Symbols are funny things though, taken to extremes you might perhaps imagine someone making a nazi salute on the grounds that they want to recognise that Hitler made the trains run on time and never mind all that nasty mass murdering stuff.

It's worth remembering that when Colin Kaempernick first "took a knee" he was refusing to stand for the national anthem. Only Assocation footballers could want to both sing the anthem and take a knee, surely on their wages they could afford to pay someone else to do the irony.

A simple way out could be for the team to adopt a different symbol, standing together with their arms around each others shoulders like the England cricket team perhaps or just hold hands and sing a song. If they are still booed then it will be clear that it's racism that is the problem and not the politics.
 
I'll take issues with a parts of that:
John Humphries writes for the silent majority.
The people who are silent is not the majority. Nowhere near.

I suspect that many resent being forced to prove that they are decent human beings
People make gestures to show they are kind and empathic all the time. From helping an old woman with her shopping, or stopping a kid being bullied, to opening a door for someone.....do we ever think "Oh my god, what will people think if I do this action, or even worse if I don't?", no. The only kind of people that think like that are sociopaths that want to manipulate everyone by the actions they take.

They suspect that taking the knee is more about showing support for the organisation behind the gesture
Been disproven, again, and again, and again. It predates BLM by decades, and the arguments against BLM have been disproven again and again too.

founders have admitted they want to destroy capitalism
They do not aim to destroy capitalism, but to change it to work for everyone not the few.

defund the police
American police needs to have it's funding cut, they don't need tanks, police never do. They also need to fund other services properly to ensure less people end up in crime.

They reject the idea that racism is the only legitimate prism
If that were the case, then that kind of breaks the argument that they see the world through political idealogical eyes?!

They don't like seeing statues being pulled down, buildings renamed, heroes shamed and feeling they should apologise for having a white skin.
BLM don't pull statues down, rename building, shame heroes or make people apologise for being white

They don't like being told: if you're with us you should applaud those who take the knee.
They are actually being told not to boo, rather than to applaud. So this is untrue

They're pretty good at spotting virtue signalling
VS is just a term used by sociopaths to undermine the concept of empathy. Most people aren't sociopaths that try and undermine empathy, so this is incorrect

So they don't applaud and they don't boo.
So no one has an issue with those people, they are not the issue, you've missed the entire issue that people have

Instead, they just try to get on with their lives.
The I'm alright Jack syndrome!

What makes them uneasy is what they see as extremism
If they see footballers taking a knee as extremism and are angry at people clapping it, but they don't see institutional racism and booing of people fighting racism as a far more dangerous extremism.....then they are very messed up people, and probably a little racist.

They don't want to be foot soldiers in the woke war
Woke, a term that has replaced the 'insult' "do gooder", because doing good is erm, a good thing to do, so being 'woke' must be good too.


So in conclusion every single comment in that article is utterly stupid.
 
Our kneeling footballers are supporting an organisation that has collected 90 million in donations, the leader of which has acquired houses in predominantly white rich areas, their agenda is to defund the police, get rid of capitalism, looting, destroying ancient statues and anything else that gets in their way, the people booing are not bad people but have more common sense than the brainwashed footballers.
It has co-founders, one of them has 3 houses, but owned two of them before BLM and has a partner with a house.....are you saying it's strange that a black person can have enough money for 3 houses without it being some illegal activity?

You think booers have more common sense than brainwashed people while repeated proven mistruths? F...M.... I have no words for you
 
It has co-founders, one of them has 3 houses, but owned two of them before BLM and has a partner with a house.....are you saying it's strange that a black person can have enough money for 3 houses without it being some illegal activity?

You think booers have more common sense than brainwashed people while repeated proven mistruths? F...M.... I have no words for you
It's far, far worse than that. It's not money he's questioned, but where the houses are!
 
Back
Top