One or two touch poll

One touch it two touch

  • One touch

    Votes: 32 68.1%
  • Two touch

    Votes: 11 23.4%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 4 8.5%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .

zorro_mfc

Well-known member
He tried to hit in the bottom right corner. The ball deflected off his right foot. Ended up going straight down the middle. Two touches.
This is utter rubbish, the reality is the only person who knows is Tav and he prob didn’t feel it either so there is no way the ref “saw it” at all if we can’t see it in replay and SLO mo then there’s no way the ref could see and be 100% certain to give a decision.

So it’s a shocking decision made on a best a guess at worst a punt.

So No there isn’t any clear footage at all because it’s not clear and that’s the point.

So in that circumstance the only thing any ref can give is the original goal.
 
What does it matter what any poll will be? A UK wide poll could reach 100% in Tav's favour, it is not going to change the outcome. The decision as bad as it is was made yesterday. That's it. Finato.
 

Block21

Well-known member
This is utter rubbish, the reality is the only person who knows is Tav and he prob didn’t feel it either so there is no way the ref “saw it” at all if we can’t see it in replay and SLO mo then there’s no way the ref could see and be 100% certain to give a decision.

So it’s a shocking decision made on a best a guess at worst a punt.

So No there isn’t any clear footage at all because it’s not clear and that’s the point.

So in that circumstance the only thing any ref can give is the original goal.

Woah calm down. I have seen the touch. Therefore it isn’t rubbish.
 

coluka

Well-known member
The irony of it all is that the vast majority struggle to see the twice hit bit, but EVEN if it actually was twice hit, and the slo-mo still leaves great doubt on that, how does an official, arrive at that in real time, whilst simultaneously ensuring:-
a) The keeper remains with one foot on his line
b) No player encroaches into the area
c) The player does not hit it twice.

It is an impossibility to do all 3, so why did the ref focus on Tav? His crime was, after all, the least likely to occur. Secondly, If it is not clear from a slo-mo, how is the ref sure it happened in real time?
Harrington either has a) eyes like a hawk; b) cheated; or most likely, c) guessed

Nobody will convince me a) to be correct, even if it actually was twice hit, nor b) as he would never have awarded it in the first place. I think if VAR looked at it, it would have been disallowed because they would not be 100% sure and would just back the ref up anyway. In truth we still threw the points away ourselves.
 

zorro_mfc

Well-known member
Are you annoyed about the decision Zorro? :D
I hate being cheated and robbed mate I can take losing but we were cheated.

Hartlepool ref just rubs salt in the wounds.

I’d have bet my mortgage on him giving them a pen as well.

First reading ... no idea why that was disallowed and no this so refts have cost is 4 if not 6 points already and it’s only December.
 

chickenrunner

Well-known member
The irony of it all is that the vast majority struggle to see the twice hit bit, but EVEN if it actually was twice hit, and the slo-mo still leaves great doubt on that, how does an official, arrive at that in real time, whilst simultaneously ensuring:-
a) The keeper remains with one foot on his line
b) No player encroaches into the area
c) The player does not hit it twice.

It is an impossibility to do all 3, so why did the ref focus on Tav? His crime was, after all, the least likely to occur. Secondly, If it is not clear from a slo-mo, how is the ref sure it happened in real time?
Harrington either has a) eyes like a hawk; b) cheated; or most likely, c) guessed

Nobody will convince me a) to be correct, even if it actually was twice hit, nor b) as he would never have awarded it in the first place. I think if VAR looked at it, it would have been disallowed because they would not be 100% sure and would just back the ref up anyway. In truth we still threw the points away ourselves.
I think the idea is that all 3 officials are meant to manage the situation. If there was clear encroachment then that's poor management by the ref's team.

Encroachment would have given the ref an 'out' from what is a deeply flawed law. But let's face it it happens so infrequently nothing will change.
 

Block21

Well-known member
I hate being cheated and robbed mate I can take losing but we were cheated.

Hartlepool ref just rubs salt in the wounds.

I’d have bet my mortgage on him giving them a pen as well.

First reading ... no idea why that was disallowed and no this so refts have cost is 4 if not 6 points already and it’s only December.
Are you saying Norwich pen wasn’t a pen? Only thing I’m fuming about is the Folarin one. The left back should of been off
 

Heam44

Well-known member
This is utter rubbish, the reality is the only person who knows is Tav and he prob didn’t feel it either so there is no way the ref “saw it” at all if we can’t see it in replay and SLO mo then there’s no way the ref could see and be 100% certain to give a decision.

So it’s a shocking decision made on a best a guess at worst a punt.

So No there isn’t any clear footage at all because it’s not clear and that’s the point.

So in that circumstance the only thing any ref can give is the original goal.

Have you watched the post match analysis on Quest EFL highlights?
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

Well-known member
It's very harsh and the linesman should have been flagging for encroachment which would surely have taken precedence and led to a retake.
I tend to be a lot more philosophical these days though. This is just karma biting us for getting one in our favour in a cup final. Refs make bad decisions, we can negate that by making fewer bad decisions and mistakes ourselves in the final third.
 

HolgateCorner

Well-known member
It's very harsh and the linesman should have been flagging for encroachment which would surely have taken precedence and led to a retake.
I tend to be a lot more philosophical these days though. This is just karma biting us for getting one in our favour in a cup final. Refs make bad decisions, we can negate that by making fewer bad decisions and mistakes ourselves in the final third.
You are right but that’s not to say it shouldn’t be debate.
 
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