SmallTown
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So you agree that brexiters wanted foreigners out and that it will damage the economy. Good. Shame you ignored my "it may do" comment. I have repeated it here because you seem to have missed it
Now, this is DEFINITELY what Brexiters wanted
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Norman_Conquest
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I have no intention of defending Brexit, the reasons behind it and the consequences we all will have to face. God only knows the reasons behind their thinking, but you still haven't answered my question.
jam69
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Good British workers can do these jobs, I mean not me personally but someone else, whilst we are at it time for national service for these layabouts, obviously not me I didnt do it and iam now too old, these nobody remainers be no use in the trenches, not that I was in the trenches but if I was I'd run johnny foreigner through , they don't like it up them. Send them back, no not the ones in my doctors the others, no not the ones looking after mam in the home the other buggers, wheres your Dunkirk spirit. Let's put the great back in Britian.
Come on Sharon let's get the flags and bunting up that will show them
Come on Sharon let's get the flags and bunting up that will show them
Lottowyn
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Spot on Norman, although there is the occasional person who thinks Covid is just an invention.
ST Im pretty sure you started a thread on this the other week...
Seriously its getting boring now. we get you don't like Brexit...
Now how about you give it a rest for your own health.... and give us a break from it too.
Ingleby_Flash
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Can we keep the ones that wash my car too please. They’re not stealing any jobs I don’t think, cos no one seemed bothered about doing it before they started.
jam69
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Like this one
Tory peer denied pandemic exists and blamed Chinese ‘fake videos’
Exclusive: Helena Morrissey condemned by health experts after tweeting ‘if people were dropping dead in the street we would notice’
www.independent.co.uk
SmallTown
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I did not start a thread like this last week, no. I know this is the brexit world but you can't just lie and repeat it expecting it to come true.
What do you think about us losing migrant workers and the damage to the economy?
Andy_W
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Nice idea in theory, but doesn't work in reality, not for a nation that has foreign competition for exports, and which has just voted to cripple the service industry which the UK relies on so heavily.
Cheap european labour is generally employed in sectors that require limited skills, and as there is an abundance of limited skill workers this means payment for these will always be low. Improving wages for lower-skilled jobs, often means that wages for higher-skilled jobs also go up, as higher-skilled people will want to be paid more than lower-skilled people.
Also, these lower skilled jobs and industries can be replicated elsewhere all over the world, with ease, and for less cost, so to compete with these we need to be able to do things at the same cost, if we pay more with higher rents and bills etc, this becomes impossible.
They can, and will stop suppressing wages, for a time, but there won't be much of a gain, as it will just put costs up (which also puts up your costs for UK goods/ services also), then exports will decrease, then less jobs exist, then there's more competition from natives for jobs (due to more unemployment), so natives then just undercut each other, or sit on the dole. So nobody is better off, and the whole UK economy shrinks or does not grow as well as it could, so ends up further behind.
The market controls prices, and the prices control the wages, unless you expect people to run businesses and not make money (or not break even in the case of the UK with brexit).
We need foreign labour, to carry out the work that the low skilled brits think they're too good for, and immigration is a proven benefit to the economy. If the economy does better, then everyone should do better, if it's not the case then the problem is not the immigration, it's the taxation and wealth distribution.
Andy_W
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Furlough is probably a big factor, assuming they've not moved back and are still going to be expected to return to work?
Why would Eastern Europeans go home, if the employers/ government cover their wages, which I would expect most would be doing if the staff are permanent, and they want their experienced/ trained staff back?
Adi_Dem
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And under this government they not only won’t be forced to have a social conscience but will actually be provided an environment in which they can get away with even more.
Im not getting drawn into anything... I was pointing out that your constant whinging is getting boring.
have a nice day bud.
Norman_Conquest
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If that is the case, are these people who have a good work ethic going to sit about and wait until the country re-opens or are they going to return to their country of origin and find employment.
No one in their right mind would argue that it is all down to the pandemic, but at the same time, no one in their right mind would argue that it is all down to Brexit.
If that link doesn't work, google 'foreign workers flee UK as pandemic and Brexit bite and you should be able to read it.
www.ft.com
Reading an article from the FT, it seems that not all European workers are covered by the Furlough scheme (as you mentioned). The Mayor of London Office stated that the capital had seen its largest increase in unemployment in 30 years, with non-British workers a “substantial proportion” of those affected.
If that is the case, are these people who have a good work ethic going to sit about and wait until the country re-opens or are they going to return to their country of origin and find employment.
No one in their right mind would argue that it is all down to the pandemic, but at the same time, no one in their right mind would argue that it is all down to Brexit.
If that link doesn't work, google 'foreign workers flee UK as pandemic and Brexit bite and you should be able to read it.
Foreign workers flee UK as pandemic and Brexit bite
An estimated 1.3m have gone home, with hospitality and retail the sectors most heavily affected
www.ft.com
SmallTown
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I just love it when people and a post with "have a nice day " or some such. Shows they want to say their peice without debating or discussing it.
My point is, as always, that brexit is bringing up SO MANY separate issues that's why there are a lot of threads. The comment that I always start brexit threads is known as an outright lie. Brexiters are wanting to do anything to deflect from what's going wrong. It's much easier to take a personal swipe at me than to actually engage and discuss the issue. You're not the only person doing it but you are guilty here
asredastheycome
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Since when did board membership mean its compulsory to read every thread.We all DEFINITLY didn't need another Brexit thread when there's another one about 4 places away on the front page of the forum
asredastheycome
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No you can get the wife to do it like everybody else
Norman_Conquest
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I’ve asked you to answer my question above and so far you have avoided it. Your argument on debate works both ways.
I am decorating today (hopefully avoid standing on the paint lid again) and might not get straight back to your reply.
SmallTown
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I haven't. You missed it. So I pointed out my response for a second time. You ignored it again.
Centralscrutinizer
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Since when did board membership mean its compulsory to read every thread.
