Not cacking all over my bed!

I am not saying this is true, but could it be that Steve Gibson wants the fans to financially support the Club in a similar manner to him - pro rata. £510 is a significant amount to the average Boro fan, just as £7mish that Gibbo puts in. Say a 40th of his wealth - while £510 is a 40th of someone's wealth if they have £20k in wealth.
 
Redwurzel said:
I am not saying this is true, but could it be that Steve Gibson wants the fans to financially support the Club in a similar manner to him - pro rata. £510 is a significant amount to the average Boro fan, just as £7mish that Gibbo puts in. Say a 40th of his wealth - while £510 is a 40th of someone's wealth if they have £20k in wealth.
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If that's his way of thinking then he needs to give his head a shake and get somebody alongside him who can wake him up to the realities of not being a multi millionaire.
 
Nano said:
I think the biggest issue is that we haven't kept up. In the 90s we were pioneers. We got a new stadium, invested heavily in foreign players and we had an edge. For the last 20 years though we've mostly stood still while everyone caught up and overtook us. It's almost like we haven't become professional and we're still trying to be a wheeler dealer type of organisation where we are just waiting for things to click into place where other teams have invested heavily in things like scouting/recruitment/analytics/coaching/science. We're still signing coaches because they are former players. Seems like if you know Gibson he'll sort you out with a job whether you are good enough or not. The world of football has moved on. We've not necessarily got worse but we're up against other organisations that are just better than us.

The bigger clubs are retail/marketing/branding/data/analytics experts. We seem to cut costs instead of maximising value. That's in the areas we can see so I can only assume it is happening in the areas we can't see as well. If businesses don't stay with the times they get taken down by competitors. Football clubs are lucky that fans a re fans and not customers so they will always retain some.
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It’s almost like its an inevitability that ended up that way… we solved problems with money without any real structure and now it’s negated by FFP and the more wealthy…
 
B_G said:
If that's his way of thinking then he needs to give his head a shake and get somebody alongside him who can wake him to the realities of not being a multi millionaire.
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Yeh a billionaire spending a 40th of his wealth is not the same as some one on minimum wage spending a 40th of their wealth… owning one less golf course versus not being able to feed the kids for a week
 
I’m fairly confident that you could bring in one or two hospitality experts to change the processes in terms of food and drink(retail too for that matter) - and you could make more than the £30 per ST over the season.
I think every bar in the stadium could sell twice as many pints as they do, if they could just be more efficient. People want to buy food and drink but most give up because of the queues.

Other grounds I go to seem to be better, even those with worse facilities.
 
Cat’s Lives said:
I’m fairly confident that you could bring in one or two hospitality experts to change the processes in terms of food and drink(retail too for that matter) - and you could make more than the £30 per ST over the season.
I think every bar in the stadium could sell twice as many pints as they do, if they could just be more efficient. People want to buy food and drink but most give up because of the queues.

Other grounds I go to seem to be better, even those with worse facilities.
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Been saying it for years, honesty pumps spaced out 10m apart in the concourse

Pay as you pull


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Redwurzel said:
I am not saying this is true, but could it be that Steve Gibson wants the fans to financially support the Club in a similar manner to him - pro rata. £510 is a significant amount to the average Boro fan, just as £7mish that Gibbo puts in. Say a 40th of his wealth - while £510 is a 40th of someone's wealth if they have £20k in wealth.
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If that was his way of thinking then he could sell shares in the business as that is what you are describing. Small difference is if we somehow make a profit he gets to keep it all.
 
Nano said:
I think the biggest issue is that we haven't kept up. In the 90s we were pioneers. We got a new stadium, invested heavily in foreign players and we had an edge. For the last 20 years though we've mostly stood still while everyone caught up and overtook us. It's almost like we haven't become professional and we're still trying to be a wheeler dealer type of organisation where we are just waiting for things to click into place where other teams have invested heavily in things like scouting/recruitment/analytics/coaching/science. We're still signing coaches because they are former players. Seems like if you know Gibson he'll sort you out with a job whether you are good enough or not. The world of football has moved on. We've not necessarily got worse but we're up against other organisations that are just better than us.

The bigger clubs are retail/marketing/branding/data/analytics experts. We seem to cut costs instead of maximising value. That's in the areas we can see so I can only assume it is happening in the areas we can't see as well. If businesses don't stay with the times they get taken down by competitors. Football clubs are lucky that fans a re fans and not customers so they will always retain some.
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I agree with this to some extent, but football as a business is almost unique in that success cannot be guaranteed, regardless how good your model is.

I think the biggest issue for us has been a lack of continuity between managers and we've flip-flopped between, at times, wildly differing approaches and the appointment of a new manager has often led to a period where a new approach is introduced, meaning players often don't fit the style and new players with the required profile are needed.

It's an expensive and time consuming approach, which I think we have now addressed
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I agree with this to some extent, but football as a business is almost unique in that success cannot be guaranteed, regardless how good your model is.

I think the biggest issue for us has been a lack of continuity between managers and we've flip-flopped between, at times, wildly differing approaches and the appointment of a new manager has often led to a period where a new approach is introduced, meaning players often don't fit the style and new players with the required profile are needed.

It's an expensive and time consuming approach, which I think we have now addressed
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We've said we have addressed it but whether we have or not will only be apparent when we replace Carrick. After announcing this approach, by way of appointment of Scott, the first big decision was appointing Wilder who didn't fit the strategy at all. Carrick is the first one that seems to fit so we'll see if his successor fits the model or not.

But yes, appointing a "manager" and letting them be responsible for departments of a football club isn't feasible anymore and that's one example where we have been late to the party. The job of team manager is too big these days to be spending significant amount of time on other areas if the club. Experts/specialists should be doing all those roles.
 
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