No prospect of that 'best ever' US trade deal anytime soon then
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newusername
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This is news to the Canadians & Mexicans.
I wonder what it is about rules of origin for cars and trucks so that more jobs are based in the US, lower standards for US food exports and new/stronger protections for US intellectual property that has attracted the UK government to this.
Fattyfoggon
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Lefty
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Our only hope is that Trump wins the next election
We should tell him it is against the Constitution to be a three time President.
Piccadilly Day Tripper
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Who'd have thought that Trump was a complete grifter?
Cardiffdaffs
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And she is getting it with both barrels with her response. She must know she isn’t thought of as a strong political correspondent.
Muttley
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Sadly the BBC is so scared of the Tory Party they are just their mouthpiece nowadays.
Johnson backed the wrong horse in 2020 and we all get to enjoy the consequences. To be honest any trade deal with the US is likely to involve us lowering our trousers and lubing up. And then there's the yummy chlorinated chicken and antibiotic rich beef...
Johnson backed the wrong horse in 2020 and we all get to enjoy the consequences. To be honest any trade deal with the US is likely to involve us lowering our trousers and lubing up. And then there's the yummy chlorinated chicken and antibiotic rich beef...
Lefty
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This is how appallingly ignorant this Government of spivs and shysters is.
'Environment Secretary George Eustice tells Sky News the row over the Northern Ireland Protocol is "very complicated" and "I'm not sure he [Joe Biden] does fully appreciate all of that.
"He is probably at the moment just reading the headlines, reading what the EU is saying, reading what Ireland might be saying, which is that they would like the NI Protocol to work in the way the EU envisage," he says.
"We think he is wrong because the truth is that unless we have a sustainable solution that enables trade to continue between GB and Northern Ireland then we are going to have issues, and that itself would become a challenge to the Belfast Agreement.
He added: "We will obviously explain to the United States effectively it is tantamount to saying that potatoes grown in one part of the United States can't be sold in another part of the United States.
"When you explain some of those provisions in detail, it is understood by the US government that that clearly does not make any sense and therefore should be revisited."
Sounds reasonable, right?
Leave/Tory voters, satisfying their own confirmation bias and struggling with cognitive dissonance, will leave it there, as they have for 5 years, rather than listen to contrary views and verifying them with experts citing evidence.
However, there are two major and fundamental errors.
1. The UK/Johnson agreed to leave Northern Ireland under a different market's entry rules for goods. The border for that is Northern Ireland.
2. Even in America there are literally those SPS rules in place between states. The restrictions imposed on importing goods in to Hawaii are far more onerous than the NI protocol. Moving goods from 'lower 48' to Alaska, passing through Canada sees customs restrictions imposed. While there are all sorts of restrictions on fruit and veg going in to California, for instance. Just look at this ffs.
I can't understand how I, a layman, was pretty much aware of all these things by November 2016, despite it being no more than an interest in the type of Brexit we should go for at that point, while a Cabinet Minister and a Parliamentarian responsible for and paid to understand these things and implement them, with nothing else of any significance to consider for 4 years, is still pig ignorant.
Leave voters could be forgiven for assuming these people had far greater than average intelligence and a lot more knowledge than them. I have to tell them, the people they chose to listen to are incredibly ignorant, often very stupid and above all lacking wisdom and humility to appreciate that.
What they can not be forgiven for is trusting these people, these proven liars led by the guy with the shiftiest track record of all, in the first place.
When the bloke at the top plays fast and loose with the truth rather than puts the hard graft in to understand the details, and finds he gets away with it, then it permeates throughout the organisation and it becomes a way of life.
'Environment Secretary George Eustice tells Sky News the row over the Northern Ireland Protocol is "very complicated" and "I'm not sure he [Joe Biden] does fully appreciate all of that.
"He is probably at the moment just reading the headlines, reading what the EU is saying, reading what Ireland might be saying, which is that they would like the NI Protocol to work in the way the EU envisage," he says.
"We think he is wrong because the truth is that unless we have a sustainable solution that enables trade to continue between GB and Northern Ireland then we are going to have issues, and that itself would become a challenge to the Belfast Agreement.
He added: "We will obviously explain to the United States effectively it is tantamount to saying that potatoes grown in one part of the United States can't be sold in another part of the United States.
"When you explain some of those provisions in detail, it is understood by the US government that that clearly does not make any sense and therefore should be revisited."
Sounds reasonable, right?
Leave/Tory voters, satisfying their own confirmation bias and struggling with cognitive dissonance, will leave it there, as they have for 5 years, rather than listen to contrary views and verifying them with experts citing evidence.
However, there are two major and fundamental errors.
1. The UK/Johnson agreed to leave Northern Ireland under a different market's entry rules for goods. The border for that is Northern Ireland.
2. Even in America there are literally those SPS rules in place between states. The restrictions imposed on importing goods in to Hawaii are far more onerous than the NI protocol. Moving goods from 'lower 48' to Alaska, passing through Canada sees customs restrictions imposed. While there are all sorts of restrictions on fruit and veg going in to California, for instance. Just look at this ffs.
I can't understand how I, a layman, was pretty much aware of all these things by November 2016, despite it being no more than an interest in the type of Brexit we should go for at that point, while a Cabinet Minister and a Parliamentarian responsible for and paid to understand these things and implement them, with nothing else of any significance to consider for 4 years, is still pig ignorant.
Leave voters could be forgiven for assuming these people had far greater than average intelligence and a lot more knowledge than them. I have to tell them, the people they chose to listen to are incredibly ignorant, often very stupid and above all lacking wisdom and humility to appreciate that.
What they can not be forgiven for is trusting these people, these proven liars led by the guy with the shiftiest track record of all, in the first place.
When the bloke at the top plays fast and loose with the truth rather than puts the hard graft in to understand the details, and finds he gets away with it, then it permeates throughout the organisation and it becomes a way of life.
She is terrible. I've never known her come up with anything remotely challenging she just always states the blindingly obvious.
Her interviews are banal as well.
Chris_Boro
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No, nothing to do with the Biden/US re Northern Ireland, obviously they wouldn't know the complexities at hand.
Other than the simple fact they have an enormous US Irish population.
Other than the simple fact they have an enormous US Irish population.
Without diverting the thread looking from the outside as a neutral why on earth shouldn't NI be part of Ireland?
Lefty
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They will be if/when they vote for it. They only voted to remove the border in the 1998 GFA referendum.
Expat Smoggie
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I’m not really in favour of masses of fast food chains coming over here to blast their way into our high streets either. Ok we have McDonalds, Burger King, Subway just to name a few but many more could follow through a deal that would be meaningless and damaging to many start up and family run businesses. Boris might see himself hamstrung by many current events but as soon as the dust settles on Covid (2022) then things might become favorable to those who wait. Moreover, the see-saw political battle in the US might also see Biden as a one term president.
Oven ready deal - we may have cast ourselves adrift from the Single Market but we can resume the export of kebabs to Kansas. Even Johnson realised how feeble this sounded as he announced it.
ThePrisoner
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From reading that it sounds like he didn't even know that the US had decided to lift the ban. Absolute desperation. Just a cork bobbing on an ocean storm. A lying, corrupt cork.