Next England Manager

viv_andersons_nana said:
I don’t constantly call Carrick arrogant at all. I think this season I have used that word twice, saying that leaving Morris out for the Preston match smacked of arrogance as did fielding a pure reserve side with loads of kids in it that ended up being embarrassed 5-0 at home to Stoke.

I don’t believe in leaving out your best players and firmly believe that if we’d been playing Leeds or Burnley instead of Preston then Morris would’ve started ahead of Barlaser. I’ve also always said that any manager fielding youth and reserve sides for matches does, in my opinion, come across as arrogant because they either don’t care enough about a game to go full strength or think they can get away with a weakened side against a team they think is inferior.

That’s not constantly calling Carrick arrogant at all. It’s me saying I think he should be picking his best players at all times because I want us to win every single game.

As for Carsley, he’s a coach in his first senior job. Did people really think we’d cruise these 6 matches without a bump or that every single thing he did would come off? And don’t some of the players have to accept responsibility too? Like we don’t blame Carrick or any coach for a player missing a sitter or making a mistake.

I think Carsley experimented and it blew up in his face. If he does the same in the next match and we lost then maybe I could understand some of the hysteria but to me it’s just an experiment in a glorified friendly. Nobody really cares about these matches anyway, surely. We will cruise through qualifying as usual and probably win promotion back to level 1 in this as well tbh.
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You do say it though for the reasons I said. Carsley was the definition of arrogance. Playing a stupid formation and players out of position with no striker to show he's some kind of mini Pep.

Total incompetence.
 
We will beat Finland relatively convincingly at the weekend. We will then go on to beat Greece and Ireland in Nov.

In a few days the media will start to spin last night's result as a one off and Carsley showed 'courage' and 'gave the fans what they wanted' by trying something new.

There will be an 8-page piece in the Athletic on Carsley being the 'unlikely man' whilst providing a full synopsis of his playing and coaching career and how he was meant for this job etc etc...

Carsley announced full time England Manager before the turn of the year.

We get beat in the quarter finals of the World Cup.

Rinse and repeat.
 
Diego said:
Very much. I don't think I'd want him either. He is unlikable.

I always think Graham Potter comes across well but again is he an England manager? Has he done enough?

Basically you are right, if he has to be English it's going to be someone probably not good enough.
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If you're comparing him with Lee Carsley it's a no contest.
 
I just want the best man for the job, nationality of the manager doesn’t come into it for me. I’d be busting a gut to get Pep.

Doesn’t even have to be a human if they win us a trophy, Joey’s open to applications from extra terrestials and the animal kingdom.
 
I don't want a manager that "gives the fans what they want". I want a manager that has a system and is brave enough to make the difficult decisions.

You could say that for Southgate the Foden/Palmer debate was a difficult one as they had both had good seasons. But the call last night was clearly Palmer given the start to the season he has had. Yet he tried to shoehorn them both in. Then why Palmer as Nr8 yet Bellingham as a false 9. I genuinely don't get why Southgate or Carlsey haven't tried Bellingham next to Rice. It would be a way of having him in the team without taking up the Nr10 role which we have plenty of other options for. Then you just pick Palmer or Foden based on form.

What we saw last night was an absolute shambles. No one seemed to know where they were playing or what their role was. There were times under Southgate that we could have been more adventurous and taken more risks but I would still have kept the structure and shape as it was. Was crazy how easily Greece got through us. If we had played something like that in the Euros it would have been about 10-0 against Spain
 
anth25 said:
I don't want a manager that "gives the fans what they want". I want a manager that has a system and is brave enough to make the difficult decisions.

You could say that for Southgate the Foden/Palmer debate was a difficult one as they had both had good seasons. But the call last night was clearly Palmer given the start to the season he has had. Yet he tried to shoehorn them both in. Then why Palmer as Nr8 yet Bellingham as a false 9. I genuinely don't get why Southgate or Carlsey haven't tried Bellingham next to Rice. It would be a way of having him in the team without taking up the Nr10 role which we have plenty of other options for. Then you just pick Palmer or Foden based on form.

What we saw last night was an absolute shambles. No one seemed to know where they were playing or what their role was. There were times under Southgate that we could have been more adventurous and taken more risks but I would still have kept the structure and shape as it was. Was crazy how easily Greece got through us. If we had played something like that in the Euros it would have been about 10-0 against Spain
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As soon as Bellingham dropped deeper we started playing. It's clearly his position yet no one wants to play him there. It is bizarre
 
New manager needs to be picked by the fans - let's have a referendum, what could possibly go wrong??
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I don’t constantly call Carrick arrogant at all. I think this season I have used that word twice, saying that leaving Morris out for the Preston match smacked of arrogance as did fielding a pure reserve side with loads of kids in it that ended up being embarrassed 5-0 at home to Stoke.

I don’t believe in leaving out your best players and firmly believe that if we’d been playing Leeds or Burnley instead of Preston then Morris would’ve started ahead of Barlaser. I’ve also always said that any manager fielding youth and reserve sides for matches does, in my opinion, come across as arrogant because they either don’t care enough about a game to go full strength or think they can get away with a weakened side against a team they think is inferior.

That’s not constantly calling Carrick arrogant at all. It’s me saying I think he should be picking his best players at all times because I want us to win every single game.

As for Carsley, he’s a coach in his first senior job. Did people really think we’d cruise these 6 matches without a bump or that every single thing he did would come off? And don’t some of the players have to accept responsibility too? Like we don’t blame Carrick or any coach for a player missing a sitter or making a mistake.

I think Carsley experimented and it blew up in his face. If he does the same in the next match and we lost then maybe I could understand some of the hysteria but to me it’s just an experiment in a glorified friendly. Nobody really cares about these matches anyway, surely. We will cruise through qualifying as usual and probably win promotion back to level 1 in this as well tbh.
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Did you watch the game last night Viv?

You seem have misunderstood what happened. It was nothing like Boro under Carrick.

Boro are in control of pretty much every game, miss a host of sitters and switch off about 3 times a game at the back. That is why Carrick has the support of the vast majority of fans.

England last night were a disorganised rabble and Greece could have won by 5 easily.
 
Of those in the betting, Tuchel for me - by a long shot. Howe is around Southgate's level imo - he'd do well but not better.
 
Gary Megson
Tony Pulis
John Gregory
Steve Kean
Paul Jewell
Alan Pardew
Iain Dowie
Paul Lambert

Good god the list is endless - a wealth of managerial talent available
 
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