Millwall Trains

Unravel_Morrison said:
It will be disorganised chaos. You'll have them trying to make all the fans go in a particular direction when many of them will want to go in another. It's a chance for Millwall fans to have a pop at a set of away fans that they don't usually get.

Even though we were held for an hour last year, some of them were still waiting at the station, kept away by a line of police.
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Exactly, what if you want to go the opposite way to the Old Kent Rd??
 
I had the experience of being a student who lived in Leeds and the police forced you on to a bus back to train station when you would like to walk home it's dam annoying
 
It should be a choice to be escorted or held back. But police wouldn't let me go last season and I was alone.
Looking forward to the game today UTB
 
BigUnit said:
It should be a choice to be escorted or held back. But police wouldn't let me go last season and I was alone.
Looking forward to the game today UTB
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Yes, I've had this from them too. It is arbitrary because one year I was allowed to be held back(with non-football fans) and get the number 1 bus to Elephant (from where I can walk home). If I have to go to the tube stations, I can get buses from either but depends on the mood of the police if they think we should all put on trains!
 
My feelings about Millwall are possibly scared by going to the Old Den (Millwall) in the 1980s. I gather Bermondsey and New Cross has changed. But I still be a bit more wary of Millwall than most other grounds.

Those with a flavour for literature and history - the rookeries in Oliver Twist was supposedly based on Jacob's Island in Bermondsey (now industrial units and new flats) - in early Victorian London he was the major slum in London - somewhere the Police did not go with a river (now hidden) that was an open sewer. See photo below.


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I've heard these complaints since the 70s, and sympathise with them. There must be a silent majority, though, who are happy to have a police escort. The violence has mostly stopped, but I don't think it's gone away.
 
Anton_Berg said:
I've heard these complaints since the 70s, and sympathise with them. There must be a silent majority, though, who are happy to have a police escort. The violence has mostly stopped, but I don't think it's gone away.
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Yes, I can understand too. I can travel by bus to the area as I'm relatively local (under 3 miles as the crow flies), and keep my mouth shut and colours, if worn, hidden. In the past I was allowed to travel home by bus, after being held back. It is on the whim of the police officer in charge of controlling the fans at the station. I was told by an officer to ask a senior officer if I could be held back for my bus. He agreed. It seems others have been refused in the past.
It's not as prevalent, that's true, but a higher proportion of their fans aspire to the hooligan image Millwall held and still hold. Strangely enough, many of the "tougher" ones probably don't live in the area, more Bromley and North Kent nowadays(areas I have also lived in). Perhaps have never lived in the area but their parents or grandparents did.
 
I went to Millwall for the 1st time in 1989 in a night match, it was a 5 -10 minute trek from the tube to the ground,, there was loads of police outside the tube but they were waiting for the 50 or so Boro who met up at the Prospect of Whitby. I can't remember there being issues we did get a police escort back afterwards and it was like that the next few times I went. There never seems to be hassle between Boro and Millwall apart from the odd fisticuffs or posturing here and there, considering what both fans have been like over the years that is a major achievement
 
We left about 10 mins from time, as there were no signs we were really going to come back into the game, we successfully circumnavigated the police cordon and got back down to the Old Kent Rd and jumped on a bus back to Elephant and Castle, no issues at all.
 
I can't believe what a sterile atmosphere it was and there was no bother at all. A small group of us walked up from London Bridge through some dodgy estates and it was absolutely fine. Even went drinking in the area afterwards. Bobby after the match said we're not holding you back exit behind your coaches and f# ck off. We found it amusing
 
Yep, no hold back after game, cops said gates behind busses are open 👍

The amount of cops on duty yesterday was ridiculously high.
The assistance / guidance to the Boro fans was garbage.
Apparently the so called 'escorting' of groups from the 2 nearest tube stations was a joke as the cops didn't know the way through the side streets to avoid the locals, fans were using the maps on their phones 🤨
 
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I thought the egress plans were fine, allowing fans to disperse instead of imprisoning them. I got out and went straight back through the Millwall crowd to catch a 'bus. When last season they were only just releasing us, this time I was already in my local.
 
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