Michael Carrick 15 wins in 20 games

[Rofesleg]

80% win ratio over the last 15 games - won 12 lost 3

Keep that up and we win 8 of the last 10 - that puts us on 87 points, in 3 of the last 5 seasons that is more than the 3rd place team got

But is it more than 2nd place got?

 

[Ironops]

But is it more than 2nd place got?

2018 - 90
2019 - 89
2020 - 83
2021 - 91
2022 - 88

 

[Rofesleg]

2018 - 90
2019 - 89
2020 - 83
2021 - 91
2022 - 88

So 87 points was only enough for 2nd place in 2019/20?

 

[El Guapo]

So 87 points was only enough for 2nd place in 2019/20?

No

 

[Rofesleg]

No

No what?

 

[TheYorkshireTerrier]

What is the record for consecutive home wins? We are on 7 now I think.

I'm sure we almost beat that last season didn't we? Before we lost to Fulham, I'm certain we were on a really good run of home wins.

 

[El Guapo]

No what?

No, those points are what 2nd finished on in each of those years. What you have to look at is what 3rd finished on.

In 19/20, 82 would’ve been enough for 2nd (we’ll not get into goal difference)

If a team in 2nd finishes on 85 but the team in third finishes on 78 then the team in 2nd hypothetically didn’t need 85 to finish 2nd, they could have finished on 79 and still finished 2nd.

It’s all hypothetical, every season is different. It’s an indicator only of a required number of points for successful achievement of 2nd. I.e. you can’t really compare seasons with certainty you can only look at hypotheticals /trend or whatever the word is.

 

[TeaCider]

I'm sure we almost beat that last season didn't we? Before we lost to Fulham, I'm certain we were on a really good run of home wins.

We won 8 home league games in a row last season, yeah.

9 matches in total including the cup win over Tottenham.

 

[Rofesleg]

No, those points are what 2nd finished on in each of those years. What you have to look at is what 3rd finished on.

In 19/20, 82 would’ve been enough for 2nd (we’ll not get into goal difference)

If a team in 2nd finishes on 85 but the team in third finishes on 78 then the team in 2nd hypothetically didn’t need 85 to finish 2nd, they could have finished on 79 and still finished 2nd.

It’s all hypothetical, every season is different. It’s an indicator only of a required number of points for successful achievement of 2nd. I.e. you can’t really compare seasons with certainty you can only look at hypotheticals /trend or whatever the word is.

I suppose it depends on how you look at it.
In my view last season we would have needed 89 points to finish 2nd. 87 would have put us 3rd.
Unless what you mean is Bournemouth only actually needed 83 points to finish 2nd? In which case I think I get your point.

 

[Ironops]

No, those points are what 2nd finished on in each of those years. What you have to look at is what 3rd finished on.

In 19/20, 82 would’ve been enough for 2nd (we’ll not get into goal difference)

If a team in 2nd finishes on 85 but the team in third finishes on 78 then the team in 2nd hypothetically didn’t need 85 to finish 2nd, they could have finished on 79 and still finished 2nd.

It’s all hypothetical, every season is different. It’s an indicator only of a required number of points for successful achievement of 2nd. I.e. you can’t really compare seasons with certainty you can only look at hypotheticals /trend or whatever the word is.

Thanks for that - I was wondering how to look at it when I posted the numbers but that makes sense

 

[Zanzibobs]

It’s 15 in 19 for me. Can’t accept that Sunderland game.

 

[El Guapo]

I suppose it depends on how you look at it.
In my view last season we would have needed 89 points to finish 2nd. 87 would have put us 3rd.
Unless what you mean is Bournemouth only actually needed 83 points to finish 2nd? In which case I think I get your point.

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Yeah, that’s my point. I guess it can be looked at both ways.

 

[newyddion]

No, those points are what 2nd finished on in each of those years. What you have to look at is what 3rd finished on.

In 19/20, 82 would’ve been enough for 2nd (we’ll not get into goal difference)

If a team in 2nd finishes on 85 but the team in third finishes on 78 then the team in 2nd hypothetically didn’t need 85 to finish 2nd, they could have finished on 79 and still finished 2nd.

It’s all hypothetical, every season is different. It’s an indicator only of a required number of points for successful achievement of 2nd. I.e. you can’t really compare seasons with certainty you can only look at hypotheticals /trend or whatever the word is.

82 in 19/20 gets you in 3rd place

 

[El Guapo]

82 in 19/20 gets you in 3rd place

Yeah, I’ve explained my thinking. I’m not going through it again. You can look at it both ways. Ultimately it doesn’t matter what got or would’ve got, what matters is how many we get this year and that it’s enough for second.

 

[newyddion]

Yeah, I’ve explained my thinking. I’m not going through it again. You can look at it both ways. Ultimately it doesn’t matter what got or would’ve got, what matters is how many we get this year and that it’s enough for second.

2nd place it gonna be close and Burley are running away with it.

 

[El Guapo]

2nd place it gonna be close and Burley are running away with it.

Absolutely. We just have to keep producing one game at a time and see where it gets us.

 

[xxlshirts_fit_all]

Has our most successful manger (cup win) been missed out of this thread for a reason? Or have I missed his mention?

 

[xxlshirts_fit_all]

Just seen him mentioned in newyiddons post..

 

[Ipad1977]

I suppose it depends on how you look at it.
In my view last season we would have needed 89 points to finish 2nd. 87 would have put us 3rd.
Unless what you mean is Bournemouth only actually needed 83 points to finish 2nd? In which case I think I get your point.

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It all depends who you're substituting yourself in the league for as obviously the division in question won't have 25 teams. If you're subbing our Boro side for Fulham or Bournemouth, then yeah.

If you're subbing our inclusion for any one of the other 22 sides, including of course Boro from last season, then nope, you'd need either 89 points or 88 with better GD.