MFC Ten Years On...

Adi_Dem

Adi_Dem

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Interesting watching this interview with Gibson just after Southgate’s appointment and the loss of Viduka.

A commitment to making the following ten years great than the decade that had gone before (Juninho, Cup Finals, Cup wins, European adventures, top 7 finishes).

I think it’s pretty obviously not gone as planned but is anyone surprised at just how far we’ve fallen in that time?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398969974262206464
 
I think it depends upon yourdefinition of "fallen". When I started supporting the Boro in 1970, we were a second tier team with aspirations to move up to the top tier. We've been down to the third tier and almost gone out of business. We spent a decade in the Premier league and now we're back where we are. It's not the end of the world. Have patience.
 
Once you saw the calibre of players the club were losing and those we were bringing in during Southgates time, like Aliadiere, Hoyte, Arca, Mido, Dong Gook Lee, Gary O’No etc and the cutting the cloth bit from Lamb (can’t remember the timing exactly of that) I realised it was probably mostly hot air to keep fans on side. His speech after relegation in 2017 was the same too, although in fairness i am sure he meant and believed it that time, but again, the calibre of players did not match the words, the money spent under Monk was huge (net spend less so) but wasted on duds largely.

I did buy into the Ajax lite strategy project, unfortunately I knew it would fail given the Head Coach entrusted and the fibs about scouring the world and finding Woodgate was the best. So no, I am not surprised at our fall, heartbreaking as it is, we have seen it happen all too often elsewhere. I am grateful for his continued investment though as otherwise we‘d be doing ‘a Scarborough’
 
When we came down in 2009 I honestly thought we’d only be down for one season. By about 2013 I’d just accepted we were a championship side and didn’t expect to be going up in 2016 (almost did in 2015). Nowadays I don’t expect to go up anytime soon but I sort of feel like football history tells me we will go up again in the next 5 years.
 
I’m surprised how far we have fallen but I think the biggest problem has been failing to get anything out of promotion in 2016, we should have made sure we survived a season or two.
 
grumpyoldgit said:
I think it depends upon yourdefinition of "fallen". When I started supporting the Boro in 1970, we were a second tier team with aspirations to move up to the top tier. We've been down to the third tier and almost gone out of business. We spent a decade in the Premier league and now we're back where we are. It's not the end of the world. Have patience.
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I didn’t say it was the end of the world. I’m an experienced campaigner. Season ticket for nigh on 35 years. It was simply an interesting (or at least I thought it was interesting) sliding doors moment to reflect on.
 
Adi_Dem said:
Interesting watching this interview with Gibson just after Southgate’s appointment and the loss of Viduka.

A commitment to making the following ten years great than the decade that had gone before (Juninho, Cup Finals, Cup wins, European adventures, top 7 finishes).

I think it’s pretty obviously not gone as planned but is anyone surprised at just how far we’ve fallen in that time?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1398969974262206464
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I heard that at the time our Chairman was going through a divorce and it suited him to get relegated so the club was valued a lot less for the separation bill.
I genuinely believe that he has tried his best to get the club back where it belongs.
Wouldnt want to own a business that loses what MFC and lets face it, Hurworth Manor seem to drain away.
 
Downing with a great cross for Viduka and Ali asking the questions...👍

Yeah it hasn't gone to plan, but football is cyclical as I'm sure you've worked out by now Aldi....we'll be back no doubt be about that 👍
 
Borothruandthru said:
I heard that at the time our Chairman was going through a divorce and it suited him to get relegated so the club was valued a lot less for the separation bill
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This wouldn’t have made sense. The club was making massive losses year on year. It was valueless.

Borothruandthru said:
I genuinely believe that he has tried his best to get the club back where it belongs.
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I’m sure his heart has been in the right place but his decision making has pretty much been exclusively dreadful.
 
Adi_Dem said:
This wouldn’t have made sense. The club was making massive losses year on year. It was valueless.



I’m sure his heart has been in the right place but his decision making has pretty much been exclusively dreadful.
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A club in the Premier league is not / was not valueless. We will have to agree to disagree on that one !
 
Borothruandthru said:
A club in the Premier league is not / was not valueless. We will have to agree to disagree on that one !
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In the context of a divorce, you really think that a club that was costing its owner millions of pounds a month would be an ‘asset’ to be traded in a divorce settlement? Erm, ok then!
 
Adi_Dem said:
In the context of a divorce, you really think that a club that was costing its owner millions of pounds a month would be an ‘asset’ to be traded in a divorce settlement? Erm, ok then!
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Ok then try and Buy a Premier league club, for less than £100 mill, pretend your the fake sheikh or something.
 
Football teams have their ups and downs, we seem to have a lot more than most!
I have to accept where we are and have enjoyed the 'good' times like everyone. One thing that sticks out for me is that we dont seem to learn by our mistakes off the pitch, failed transfers, wasted fees and wages, and not getting the best from our academy set up.
Things do need to change with the management structure or I fear we will be here in 10 years time.
 
Borothruandthru said:
They were making money in the Premier league . Its funny that you think the club was worthless in the premier I will never get inside your thought process and dont want to.
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No they weren’t. They were making a huge loss season on season. The accounts are all available online. So let’s make it simple: this was a wholly owned subsidiary of Gibson O’Neil that was spending significantly (ie many millions) more than its income. Your contention (or the rumour you put forward) is that relegation would in some way be beneficial to Gibson in a divorce settlement to the extent that he’d welcome it to lower the value of the club. Given it was losing millions I fail to see how that could be added to the asset list to be fought over in the divorce. Perhaps you can explain.
 
Adi_Dem said:
I didn’t say it was the end of the world. I’m an experienced campaigner. Season ticket for nigh on 35 years. It was simply an interesting (or at least I thought it was interesting) sliding doors moment to reflect on.
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Agreed. We've all wondered what coulda/shoulda happened. Fascinating isn't it?
 
I'm of the opinion that we'll be down here for a good while yet until we stumble upon a winning formula again. Football has moved on faster than we have. Where we were once able to compete for the best talent, we're now not a club with the finances to do so. We haven't addressed the recruitment process to adapt to our increasing need to find value and/or sell-on viability and so we are not getting our money's worth from the fees we do pay.
 
Adi_Dem said:
No they weren’t. They were making a huge loss season on season. The accounts are all available online. So let’s make it simple: this was a wholly owned subsidiary of Gibson O’Neil that was spending significantly (ie many millions) more than its income. Your contention (or the rumour you put forward) is that relegation would in some way be beneficial to Gibson in a divorce settlement to the extent that he’d welcome it to lower the value of the club. Given it was losing millions I fail to see how that could be added to the asset list to be fought over in the divorce. Perhaps you can explain.
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I am not denying that the divorce reason was a rumour.
Thats the whole point of the discussion to get to the truth.
With your thinking Rockliffe hall is worth nothing cos its currently losing money !
Asset value has little to do with current business profit or loss.
Potential for the future is what businessmen can see including future sponsorship deals and sky tv money.
 
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