Meanwhile in Italy

GazC_MFC said:
What does the flu being asymptotic have to do with with covid.

Covid is a more deadly disease
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You missed the point entirely, covid-19 is the only disease/virus that presents with no symptoms that is classed as case with a positive test.

Say for example if we had a vaccine for the common cold where the virus that causes it is used in a vaccine. If you had the vaccine and then were tested for the virus you would show positive and even without symptoms you would classed as case.
Yet if you had a polio vaccination and have no symptoms of polio, you wouldn't be classed as a positive test case would you?
 
DearChicago said:
So what is your point?
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It means this virus is been counted differently to every other virus ever known about. Hence why case numbers are so high around the globe.

That's like counting everybody who's had the measles jab as been a positive case. But there isn't a measles pandemic going on around the globe is there?
 
RandySavage said:
You missed the point entirely, covid-19 is the only disease/virus that presents with no symptoms that is classed as case with a positive test.

Say for example if we had a vaccine for the common cold where the virus that causes it is used in a vaccine. If you had the vaccine and then were tested for the virus you would show positive and even without symptoms you would classed as case.
Yet if you had a polio vaccination and have no symptoms of polio, you wouldn't be classed as a positive test case would you?
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If there was a vaccine for covid maybe the same rules will be applied to test to covid. We aren’t pumping covid into people so every positive is an actual positive.
 
GazC_MFC said:
If there was a vaccine for covid maybe the same rules will be applied to test to covid. We aren’t pumping covid into people so every positive is an actual positive.
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Except every positive isn't an actual positive.

Do you not remember the papaya fruit that tested positive for the coronavirus? 😊
 
It depends what counts you look at. The only really sensible ones are the ones that compare current deaths to normal deaths for the time of year
 
Oooo said:
It depends what counts you look at. The only really sensible ones are the ones that compare current deaths to normal deaths for the time of year
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Well that isn't, as it doesn't account for other deaths that might have been prevented by hospital admission.
 
True, but that will be the same in other countries so is a decent way to compare countries but yeh it is not an accurate death rate as such. I doubt it would be possible to ever find one.
 
It's just not. And comparing countries is daft anyway. Each has their own issues and each records the data differently ... died of, died with .... some test more than others. Best way to look god is not to test at all.
 
RandySavage said:
Say for example if we had a vaccine for the common cold where the virus that causes it is used in a vaccine. If you had the vaccine and then were tested for the virus you would show positive and even without symptoms you would classed as case.
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No, you would not test positive - at least not on the standard kind of PCR test that all countries use to determine if a person actually has the disease or not.

Receiving a vaccine for a virus does not give you the disease in question, it stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies for the disease - that's not the same thing.
 
Liamo said:
No, you would not test positive - at least not on the standard kind of PCR test that all countries use to determine if a person actually has the disease or not.

Receiving a vaccine for a virus does not give you the disease in question, it stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies for the disease - that's not the same thing.
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I get that it's a really rough example.

It's the only virus that is treated as a 'case' even if the person is not presenting with any symptoms.

The PCR test,

Unfortunately, Mullis passed away last year at the age of 74, but there is no doubt that the biochemist regarded the PCR as inappropriate to detect a viral infection.

The reason is that the intended use of the PCR was, and still is, to apply it as a manufacturing technique, being able to replicate DNA sequences millions and billions of times, and not as a diagnostic tool to detect viruses.

How declaring virus pandemics based on PCR tests can end in disaster was described by Gina Kolata in her 2007 New York Times article Faith in Quick Test Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t.

https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

Anyways back to the main point if the thread. It's good to see Italy getting back on to its feet after really rough time. Hoping that their tourism sector is back on track next summer.
 
Am i missing something in this? So the virus is generally providing few symptoms currently in Italy to 95% of positive tests- but people still have it ( this is good, perhaps it is less lethal now/ becoming a general virus/ cold type virus).

But it has killed quite a lot of people, so having it transmitting quietly in the populace is not really a good idea. Especially as 5% does have symptoms- with no clarity on what they are or severity it is difficult to make a judgement on how important.

It is not being treated like any other virus because hundreds of thousands of people have died following contracting it, and across the globe many more continue to die then it has to be treated different surely? It is still new and novel, and even in currently asymptomatic people we really do not yet know if there will be other adverse effects long term.

Hopefully it does become a non-entity and falls off the radar sooner rather than later- but to suggest it should be counted by any flu virus seems to neglect the last 5 months worldwide transmission/ illness/ death.
 
It was found that around 95% of people were either asymptomatic or had such mild symptoms that they were unaware of them in Sweden many weeks ago.
 
It's like people just can't put two and two together depending on fear level.

If 95% of + cases in Italy are now asymptomatic then that means it's no longer a problem.

As for people claiming it's more deadly than the flu well it's clearly not as more and more asymptomatic cases get tested the IFR drops significantly the best estimates from the WHO and CDC is between 0.2%-0.4% which is the same as a regular flu season.
 
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