Lampard.

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I made a bet that Bielsa, Lampard & Conte wouldn’t be in their positions come the end of next season. It’s looking pretty safe with Frank.

Am I alone in thinking he’s a bang average manager? He was armed with a war chest at Derby and failed to get them promoter (something he seems to escape any criticism for his part in). He didn’t exactly pull up trees at Chelsea either.

Now he’s being found out again. Lonely fella, but seems a bit clueless as a manager to me.

And to think some were calling him to replace Southgate after the Euro’s.
 
I thought he underachieved with Derby looking at that squad he had.
Chelsea he had a bit of a pass due to the transfer embargo, but they already had a quality squad.
Everton is maybe a hard one to judge him on as they are an utter shambles and most managers would fail there.
 
Shouldn’t have taken the Everton job, I expect them to stay up mind. They’ll get a result Saturday against United.
 
I’ve nothing against the bloke. Quite admire him in a way - all the money he made as a player why take up management? Same with Rooney.

You have to wonder how Everton’s board sold him a dummy and thought an inexperienced manager like frankie lamps could get them out of trouble if they ended up in the sh1t. That’s their real problem.
 
Wouldn’t shock me if he ended up back at Derby under new owners in the second division and Rooney takes over at Everton 😂
Hes possibly trying to catch a falling knife at Everton . I wish no bad luck for him , I hope the best for all our up and coming new english managers but I’d be happy for Everton to drop
 
joeydiaz said:
Shouldn’t have taken the Everton job, I expect them to stay up mind. They’ll get a result Saturday against United.
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If United want it they'll win - Everton are dreadful. Slightly less bad at home , but still dreadful. They need their fans right at it on Saturday
 
Middlesbrough123 said:
Wouldn’t shock me if he ended up back at Derby under new owners in the second division and Rooney takes over at Everton 😂
Hes possibly trying to catch a falling knife at Everton . I wish no bad luck for him , I hope the best for all our up and coming new english managers but I’d be happy for Everton to drop
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Sorry, but I hope Frank Lampard's Derby, Chelsea, Everton get relegated. He was a great footballer but that doesn't make him a good manager.

Never been a lover of Everton, they have lived on their past glories for too long and still think they are one of the top clubs.
 
Think he needs a better advisor, the last two jobs he has taken were never going to end well for him. Probably difficult to turn Chelsea down but what was he thinking taking that Everton job? They are a complete mess and no manager could turn that around
Think at the right club he will be a solid manager
 
Underachieved at Derby. Remember that squad had Mason Mount, Tomori who's tearing it up at AC Milan now, and Harry Wilson scoring nearly 20 goals on loan from Liverpool. They should never have missed out on promotion.

Was alright at Chelsea for me. Got the job because of who he is, but actually did alright for the situation they were in with the transfer embargo. Brought through Mount, Tomori, Tammy Abraham, Reese James. Never a good enough / big enough manager for a club of their ambitions and can't argue that he was over-promoted too soon, but he wasn't that bad, and maybe the right man at the right time for their rebuilding year.

Everton he's been dreadful. He's far from their only problem though.

What's weird to me, although I totally get it, is why people keep comparing his and Gerrard's careers as managers so far.

Gerrard took the hard road. U21s coach, massively high pressure job at Rangers, then ambitious mid-sized PL club which could have gone either way. Results have been impressive at each, he's improved each club significantly, and they're both tougher jobs than he needed to take - let's be honest, he could have just waited for the Liverpool job. It's a proper apprenticeship for someone who wants to be a serious manager, a bit like Rooney at Derby, and he'll be more ready when the big clubs come calling.

Lampard's definitely following the path of privilege and has been getting a pass because of who he is. He's not proved at any club yet he can actually manage, unlike Gerrard.
 
The whole situation at Everton has been broken for years. This bunch of football owners they have right now couldn’t organize the proverbial in a brewery. Their player purchases have been rank awful not to mention they have one of the highest wage bills in the EPL. As for Lamps, you have to admire his naivety going into a broken club and trying to rally a situation worse than Chernobyl. As much as I dislike Burnley I think Everton might survive although both teams have such a tough run in I’m of the opinion it’ll probably come down to GD who falls through the trap door.
 
I've never been impressed by him despite the media love in.

If I was being kind I'd say he's met expectations with every job he's been at. Doesn't seem the type to get more out of players or improve the team and I've seen nothing to suggest he's got a clear, successful tactical blueprint for playing the game.

Absolutely shown up when Tuchel walked in the door at Chelsea, a proper manager.
 
I disagree that no manager could get a tune out of Everton. I think lampard and Everton both made the wrong choice.

I look at lampard and I think he’s mediocre at best. He’s just not a great manager.

You can argue about the transfer embargo but Chelsea had foundations still there.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
What's weird to me, although I totally get it, is why people keep comparing his and Gerrard's careers as managers so far

Gerrard took the hard road. U21s coach, massively high pressure job at Rangers, then ambitious mid-sized PL club which could have gone either way. Results have been impressive at each, he's improved each club significantly, and they're both tougher jobs than he needed to take - let's be honest, he could have just waited for the Liverpool job. It's a proper apprenticeship for someone who wants to be a serious manager, a bit like Rooney at Derby, and he'll be more ready when the big clubs come calling.

Lampard's definitely following the path of privilege and has been getting a pass because of who he is. He's not proved at any club yet he can actually manage, unlike Gerrard.
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Not sure I agree with you here.

Gerrard had a year of managing Liverpool's U18s and U19s and then was offered the biggest/2nd biggest job in Scotland as his first senior position.

He then jumped to the first decent sized Premier League club that was in for him, and left Rangers in the lurch mid-season.

Not sure how that's a hard road, he specifically turned down Norwich because of their situation.
Gerrard only got the jobs in the first place because of his name, so that's the exact same privilege and he hadn't proved he could manage when he was offered his first job either.

Lampard under-achieved at Derby, but taking over a perennial Championship club isn't a path of privilege, and you can't try and claim that Rooney is doing it the "right way" when it's the same path Lampard took.

Rooney turned down the Everton job before they offered it to Lampard because of the situation both clubs are currently in and the fact it was mid-season.

Lampard was offered the Chelsea job before the season had started, when they were expected to be under severe restrictions.

If Gerrard had been offered the Liverpool job, he'd have taken it in a heartbeat, regardless of his experience.
The difference is he wasn't offered the job.
 
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LowMoorBoro said:
I thought he underachieved with Derby looking at that squad he had.
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I believe his "success" at Derby constituted finishing in the same place and 1 point worse off than their previous manager did.

In fairness, he did then get them to the playoff final, but we all know playoff football is a bit if a lottery.
 
He's just another Woodgate. Full of all these high-minded ideas of how he wants his team to play but little to no ability to implement them.

As said above - he had Premier League quality players and, lest we forget, financial doping with Derby but still failed.

The comparison with Gerrard is that he achieved something at Rangers in a high pressure situation with much fewer resources than his direct rival. Teacider is right that he would definitely take the Liverpool job if it was offered, though.
 
He's clearly well respected in the game and not just because of who he was as a player. Suspect he's a good coach and understands everything that's happening. Probably uses all the data, sports science etc. His IQ is supposedly really high isn't it?

However you do need more than that. Plenty of top coaches have failed as managers. Just look at the long list of Fergie's assistants. Ferguson never took training so the likes of Kidd, Phelan, McClaren and the Portuguese lad whose name I can't be arsed to Google, played a massive role in the success. They're all clearly elite coaches, world class even. How many became top class managers though. You need more than that to be a manager or "head coach" (or whatever you want to label it.

You need to be a leader too.

I wouldn't write Lampard off just yet, I think he has the potential to learn that side of it. But I don't think he's as natural as leader as someone like Gerrard. Which is maybe why Gerrard has had more initial relative success up till now.
 
TeaCider said:
Not sure I agree with you here.

Gerrard had a year of managing Liverpool's U18s and U19s and then was offered the biggest/2nd biggest job in Scotland as his first senior position.

He then jumped to the first decent sized Premier League club that was in for him, and left Rangers in the lurch mid-season.

Not sure how that's a hard road, he specifically turned down Norwich because of their situation.
Gerrard only got the jobs in the first place because of his name, so that's the exact same privilege and he hadn't proved he could manage when he was offered his first job either.

Lampard under-achieved at Derby, but taking over a perennial Championship club isn't a path of privilege, and you can't try and claim that Rooney is doing it the "right way" when it's the same path Lampard took.

Rooney turned down the Everton job before they offered it to Lampard because of the situation both clubs are currently in and the fact it was mid-season.

Lampard was offered the Chelsea job before the season had started, when they were expected to be under severe restrictions.

If Gerrard had been offered the Liverpool job, he'd have taken it in a heartbeat, regardless of his experience.
The difference is he wasn't offered the job.
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Good debate, and yeah, for sure Gerrard got the same opportunities because of his name and status.

Difference is he won trophies and transformed Rangers. Didn’t he break Celtic’s 10 in a row?

I’ve been impressed with how Villa look since he took over as well - for sure he signed Coutinho because of who he is, but again they’ve improved. With Lampard’s three jobs, I’m not sure he’s improved a team.

Rooney, I think was sold a massive pup. Taking the contract at Derby and then being given the manager’s job when it all goes horribly t*ts up. I’m so impressed that he’s stayed, because he doesn’t need that hassle, and it’s almost unbelievable they still have a chance of staying up with the points deductions. The whole situation is similar to Sven and Sol Campbell at Notts County, except they left within weeks - Rooney’s stuck it out and is doing a brilliant job.

I think they’re both cut out for it.
 
Managers need to be given time and money. He's walked into a club in a mess. In their infinite wisdom the Everton hierarchy appointed him as their new manager just after the January transfer closed. The problems at that club go beyond simply the manager. Lampard has not turned them around, and he is not an experienced manager. With hindsight Everton might have been better off employing an old-school experienced manager who knows how to keep a side up - at least as a short term measure, even if that means that fans think of the appointment as boring or uninspiring.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Good debate, and yeah, for sure Gerrard got the same opportunities because of his name and status.

Difference is he won trophies and transformed Rangers. Didn’t he break Celtic’s 10 in a row?

I’ve been impressed with how Villa look since he took over as well - for sure he signed Coutinho because of who he is, but again they’ve improved. With Lampard’s three jobs, I’m not sure he’s improved a team.

Rooney, I think was sold a massive pup. Taking the contract at Derby and then being given the manager’s job when it all goes horribly t*ts up. I’m so impressed that he’s stayed, because he doesn’t need that hassle, and it’s almost unbelievable they still have a chance of staying up with the points deductions. The whole situation is similar to Sven and Sol Campbell at Notts County, except they left within weeks - Rooney’s stuck it out and is doing a brilliant job.

I think they’re both cut out for it.
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I'm not saying he didn't do a good job, he did, but winning a trophy with Rangers or Celtic is a foregone conclusion if you're there long enough.

It's a very uncompetitive league.

He won 1 league title in 3 years, but also comprehensively failed each season in the cups, getting knocked out by "lesser" teams, barring that final against Celtic where they were robbed by bad refereeing.

When trophies are almost a given, I don't think 1 out of 9 is that impressive an achievement.
Though you can't argue with an unbeaten league season.

I'd say Lampard's first three jobs have all been harder than the Rangers job, if you take fan pressure out of it.
 
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