Labour row brewing over Wakefield candidate

Same_as_before said:
there has been no mention of the Muslim, hindu, christian, buddah or other religious Labour Movements - for the simple reason that they have had no play in the nomination manoeverings in Wakefield. There are no mentions, ever. Only one religious grouping is attacked.
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Tbh I'm not sure all/any of those groups exist.

Edit - just looked, there's a Labour Muslim Network and a British Muslim Friends of Labour. There's also a Sikhs for Labour group. Haven't seen a Hindu or Buddhist equivalent.

So what was your point SameAs? Are you saying these groups all have the same influence on candidate selection at Labour head office as JLM? Even the ones that don't exist?
 
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Same_as_before said:
Maybe if the West had not murdered over 6m, without any country trying to stop it, stolen their assets, gold teeth, shoes, made them leave their homes there would not be such a big issue in Palestine.

Where do you want to send them?
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I think (quite famously) some countries actually did try to stop the nazis. Granted its some years since I did GCSE history.
 
SuperStu said:
I think (quite famously) some countries actually did try to stop the nazis. Granted its some years since I did GCSE history.
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They knew where the concentration camps were, they knew what the buildings were used for, there was no will.

And now the west wants to move them from what they class as there homeland.

Still no answer to the UN question on where are the Jews in the Middle East.

The west have never cared and it's anti semitism.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Yes you did. Somebody mentioned one pressure group - the one which was actually mentioned in the link - and you have used that to turn this conversation into one about global anti-Semitism. Two totally different subjects, but feel free to derail a good thread.
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So I didn't? What is the pressure groups name?! 1984 speak.
 
Same_as_before said:
So I didn't? What is the pressure groups name?! 1984 speak.
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Yes you did. Somebody brought up one pressure group that one candidate had had disagreements with. That group does not represent all Jews and even brands other Jewish groups who don't share their views as anti-Semitic. Criticism of that one group is not criticism of all Jews and is not anti-Semitic.

Why can't you understand something so simple?
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Yes you did. Somebody brought up one pressure group that one candidate had had disagreements with. That group does not represent all Jews and even brands other Jewish groups who don't share their views as anti-Semitic. Criticism of that one group is not criticism of all Jews and is not anti-Semitic.

Why can't you understand something so simple?
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I think you are trying too hard. I did not. It's that simple. You can try your best but the facts are the facts.

If you are going to battle with someone you disagree with every ounce of your body, at least be correct.


The phrase, Looks like the Jewish Labour Movement had a role to play yet again, was brought up by CtC. Not me. Why do you think he needed to add this to the debate, again.



I don't find it hard to say Starmer has lashed up, it's a fact.
 
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Sounds like Labour Party shooting itself in the foot again.

Surely the local Wakefield Labour Party should have the main say in who they want to stand in their own continuency.

Its also implies how centralised and metropolitan the party is and to me part of the problem of why it is losing votes in the working class seats in areas outside the big cities and in Scotland. If it picks central office characters is it no surprise its policies come from that area.

For me the Labour Party has to get more to its roots - i.e. people with below average national incomes, limited opportunities in life, which probably represents over 75% of the Teesside population, but only get 40%? of those votes, that's crazy, isnt it?
 
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Ref : Frank Ryan

Very interesting character - definitely a big supporter and fighter of/for the old IRA, dropped the Irish Politics and went to fight in the International Brigade in Spain in 1936 and was a prominent and successful commander within the British/Irish Batallion (15th) which included N/I loyalists. The IB was judged pretty Left Wing. Frank Ryan was taken prisoner and not released after the Spanish War finished as he was held as a political prisoner and could and even been executed by Franco. In 1940 he was offered his freedom he went to Nazi Germany and worked with them the Nazis has asked Franco for him. He worked in Nazi propaganda, but died in Germany in 1944, otherwise MI6 I guess would have imprisoned him and possibly had him executed in the UK. (like Lord HawHaw). The Donald Sutherland (Liam Devlin) character in the film "The Eagle has Landed" is supposedly based on him. My feeling is that he was a left wing Irish Nationalist. but agreed to work for the Germans as he hated the English more than the Germans and may have felt he would not a survived rough treatment in Spanish Jails.
 
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Redwurzel said:
Ref : Frank Ryan

Very interesting character - definitely a big supporter and fighter of/for the old IRA, dropped the Irish Politics and went to fight in the International Brigade in Spain in 1936 and was a prominent and successful commander within the British/Irish Batallion (15th) which included N/I loyalists. The IB was judged pretty Left Wing. Frank Ryan was taken prisoner and not released after the Spanish War finished as he was held as a political prisoner and could and even been executed by Franco. In 1940 he was offered his freedom he went to Nazi Germany and worked with them the Nazis has asked Franco for him. He worked in Nazi propaganda, but died in Germany in 1944, otherwise MI6 I guess would have imprisoned him and possibly had him executed in the UK. (like Lord HawHaw). The Donald Sutherland (Liam Devlin) character in the film "The Eagle has Landed" is supposedly based on him. My feeling is that he was a left wing Irish Nationalist. but agreed to work for the Germans as he hated the English more than the Germans and may have felt he would not a survived rough treatment in Spanish Jails.
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It's the same reason Sein Fein is pro Russian.

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Why do you keep mentioning the IRA are you anti-Catholic? Your sectarianism is disgusting. You always seem to mention them and noone else.

See we can all play ignorance of every other point made and just call people out for anything.
 
Same_as_before said:
Where is your criticism of the countries who expunged the Jews. It's not coincidence that only Israel and it's people are criticised.

Like I said if it walks like a duck.

And as CtC said, Jews again.
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Stop telling lies. I'm commenting on the article, I assume you read it and are aware of their influence, along with the Friends of Israel group and the criticism aimed at them by other Jewish groups in the last few years?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Stop telling lies. I'm commenting on the article, I assume you read it and are aware of their influence, along with the Friends of Israel group and the criticism aimed at them by other Jewish groups in the last few years?
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Why did you bring a Jewish organisation into the equation? There was no need, it was about a Labour leadership c up in Wakefield. You couldn't stop yourself.

Name calling is your norm, keep it up, see above and that was in a month.

You really do dislike the Working Class, Feeble nation, that from a bloke who pretends he is a man of the people. You think there is nothing wrong with SF the Russian lovers, me I would rather vote Tory. Ireland must be a very Feeble nation to have them as a major party. I see they have renewed their website, you should change from the Boro to Chelsea, but that's too late.

Maybe your Freedom Fighters could go to the Ukraine the Russians are not doing to well there they could do with a bit of expertise.
 
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free_pint said:
Why do you keep mentioning the IRA are you anti-Catholic? Your sectarianism is disgusting. You always seem to mention them and noone else.

See we can all play ignorance of every other point made and just call people out for anything.
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If you had any wits about you, you would realise I am not the sectarian.

I am am a church going Catholic from Irish heritage, I am a Republican, if you want come to St Gabriel's with me. I am very anti IRA and UDA and all other murdering groups. I despise them. Go and see the effect they have had. Ethnic cleansing is what they do apart from kill kids with drugs. I despise their apologists on both sides. If you admire them then so be it.

Colombian and American officials are convinced that the Provisional IRA - whose political wing is welcome in the White House - trained the narco-terrorists of Farc in bomb-making technology.

The revelations about IRA involvement with Columbian drug cartels have placed the republican movement, especially its political wing Sinn Fein, in a precarious position with the Bush administration as well as undermining Unionist support for Northern Ireland's power-sharing coalition.

It's where they get there cash from, going back decades.

But you and CtC keep supporting them.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pol...w-involved-in-drug-crime-deasy-claims-1.34781

Is that an apology I can hear. Something CtC has never done, no matter what insult to who ever.

Oh and one thing I hope you and CtC are prepared to send your offspring to police Ulster if it becomes a Republic, because mine are going no where near. As I said I am a Republican, but the shi t will hit the fan, the people on the Shankill see Belfast no different to Sheffield.

To make it very simple for you; I despise Sectarianism on both sides, I despise anti semitism hidden or obvious, I despise people who set bombs off in Enniskillen and Omagh, I despise the Shankhill butchers and those that supported them.

You can be as selective as you want.
 
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Same_as_before said:
Why did you bring a Jewish organisation into the equation? There was no need, it was about a Labour leadership c up in Wakefield. You couldn't stop yourself.

Name calling is your norm, keep it up, see above and that was in a month.

You really do dislike the Working Class, Feeble nation, that from a bloke who pretends he is a man of the people. You think there is nothing wrong with SF the Russian lovers, me I would rather vote Tory. Ireland must be a very Feeble nation to have them as a major party. I see they have renewed their website, you should change from the Boro to Chelsea, but that's too late.

Maybe your Freedom Fighters could go to the Ukraine the Russians are not doing to well there they could do with a bit of expertise.
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The article brings up the JLM. You haven't read it have you?
 
Look stick to your love of SF nonsense I will stick to highlighting it. If we lived in NI I would vote Alliance party you more than likely the drug dealers. They will be knocking on some pub door right now asking for a donation.
I didn't realise you like them were pro Putin.

The thread was about Labour making a fool of its self, you chose to, I wonder why, to highlight a Jewish based organisation comment.

What am I today apart from a liar? feeble brained?

Hope you have your whistle ready for the Queen's Jubilee whilst sat in your religious based club. Me I will be at the local street party enjoying it with our neighbours.
 
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free_pint said:
Christ. I give up. You're either purposely just writing anything for the sake of it or on a wind up.

Also you edited a post like 3 hours after to add more b***ks. Absolute weirdo.
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There's a suprise your anti Israel Pro SF mate likes you in in 5 secs.

Like you he resorts to insults in every thread, I wonder.

Do you still think I am sectarian?
 
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