Labour Party exposee

The Ruthsayer said:
Er, I said above that I made an error. Being a little tipsy and having direct experience of Momentum was a cause. So, for the second time, I got it wrong, apologies for that. But, I absolutely stand by my second point of moderate and long serving PLP members, MO’s and councillors facing aggression from Momentum.
I’m not sure why you haven’t read my previous posts. Perhaps apoplexy has seized your optic nerves?
As a coda, I would add that anyone who doesn’t vote Labour where they are the first or second party, should not complain when we get 5 more years of the Tories. Be realistic people.
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Good evening.
You appear to have a habit of making "error"(s) - posting untruths, then retracting them later on - under pressure to produce evidence.:unsure:
 
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Scrote said:
Firstly, I'm not sure what word you were actually looking for but "puerile"?

I asked you to back your statement up. You still haven't. And now you've thrown in another accusation against the left without a shred of proof.

All the articles you linked (and the one I linked) came from exactly the same place. Getting rid of some light democratic-socialism was more important than truth, integrity or people's lives.

And you want me to back the people that did (and continue to do) that. SKS is no better than the Tories so I don't see it as an either/or.

Name the councillor who was spat at. Name the Momentum member who did it. It's obviously something that definitely happened so there'll be no worries with libel (or slander - not sure where anonymout message boards sit legally).

It's a bit surprising that the information isn't on the web though, considering the articles you linked (and the one I linked) would have been greatly enhanced by such a newsworthy item.

It reminds me of when Momentum smashed the windows of Angela Eagle's offices and then it turned out they didn't. But once the muck's been spread...


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I see you've taken back your claim about deselections. Perhaps you might want to do the same about the spitting incident (many of which were also 'reported' but none of which have ever, to my knowledge, been proven).

The right of the party have removed hundreds of left-leaning members. The left didn't do anything remotely similar. As always it's the right projecting their own modus operandi onto their perceived enemies and then crying foul.
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I have no made mention of the spitting incident? But that’s fine, you ascribe whatever you wish to someone you disagree with.
 
r00fie1 said:
Good evening.
You appear to have made a habit of making "error"(s) - posting untruths, then retracting them later on - under pressure to produce evidence.
You have all the traits of a troll.
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I have made over 300 comments on numerous topics. Yes, I have admitted two errors. If that makes me a troll in your book Roofie, then fine.
I will introduce a sobriety rule for myself.
On a wider note, does a 1/150 retraction rate render you a troll? I think that says a great deal about both our society and you as a person Roofie.
 
SuperStu said:
And yet Starmer refused to say he'd reverse the cut to the top rate of income tax. :unsure:
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You want a simple knee jerk reaction rather than a considered response. I suppose that is today’s ‘I want it now’ approach. Let’s have a moment’s silence to mourn the death of dialectic.
 
And finally Roofie, ‘pressure’ is re-mortgaging your home and ploughing everything you own into a new business, trusting your instincts and commercial acumen to succeed.
That’s pressure old bean.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
You want a simple knee jerk reaction rather than a considered response. I suppose that is today’s ‘I want it now’ approach. Let’s have a moment’s silence to mourn the death of dialectic.
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Knee jerk? Has he never had chance to think about how taxation should work? If he doesn't know what his politics are maybe he shouldn't be leading a party?

Knee jerk 🤣
 
Scrote said:
Firstly, I'm not sure what word you were actually looking for but "puerile"?

I asked you to back your statement up. You still haven't. And now you've thrown in another accusation against the left without a shred of proof.

All the articles you linked (and the one I linked) came from exactly the same place. Getting rid of some light democratic-socialism was more important than truth, integrity or people's lives.

And you want me to back the people that did (and continue to do) that. SKS is no better than the Tories so I don't see it as an either/or.

Name the councillor who was spat at. Name the Momentum member who did it. It's obviously something that definitely happened so there'll be no worries with libel (or slander - not sure where anonymout message boards sit legally).

It's a bit surprising that the information isn't on the web though, considering the articles you linked (and the one I linked) would have been greatly enhanced by such a newsworthy item.

It reminds me of when Momentum smashed the windows of Angela Eagle's offices and then it turned out they didn't. But once the muck's been spread...


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I see you've taken back your claim about deselections. Perhaps you might want to do the same about the spitting incident (many of which were also 'reported' but none of which have ever, to my knowledge, been proven).

The right of the party have removed hundreds of left-leaning members. The left didn't do anything remotely similar. As always it's the right projecting their own modus operandi onto their perceived enemies and then crying foul.
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I will not name the councillor without her permission. This was 2018, so I’m not going to raise the subject again. And it certainly would not have been ‘newsworthy. It was in East London, beyond that I’m not prepared to comment. Believe what you will.
SKS no better than the Tories? I’m no fan of his, but rather he than Truss and KK. No?
I think the adjective puerile was reasonably accurate, many faults I may have, but paucity of lexicon is not one.
 
SuperStu said:
It didn't matter about getting the tories out the last few times but now it does 🤪(y)

Good old centrists. Who wouldn't trust them? You'd have to have a heart of stone. Now don't read that book, any of the reports or watch the new documentary. Just vote for Keir and strap yourself in for ✨covid savings bonds✨
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Er nearly 13 million Labour voters put a cross against a Corbyn led Labour Party in 2017.

Don‘t tell me there weren‘t any centrists in there?

Most will be like me, neither centrist or left (or right), non card carrying, non activists who just go to work every day, pay their taxes and want a fair and orderly society.

Appreciate there may be a few ideologists on here but you are the very tiny minority compared to the average voter.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Most will be like me, neither centrist or left (or right), non card carrying, non activists who just go to work every day, pay their taxes and want a fair and orderly society.
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If most were like that then we'd have had a Corbyn led government. The problem is that most aren't like that. And enough of the not like thats are now realising that they too might suffer.

As with Brexit, they were warned. They thought they'd be above the watermark when then tide settled. Now they're neck deep and slowly going under it's suddenly imperative that the people that tried to stop it happening throw their lot in with those that caused it to happen.

Tough. You reap what you sow.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
I will not name the councillor without her permission. This was 2018, so I’m not going to raise the subject again.
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You're not going to raise the subject again, having raised the subject again?

We just have to take your word for it that something terrible happened four years ago, but, despite every news office in the land desperately looking for a reason to smear Momentum, nobody knew about it. Okay.

The Ruthsayer said:
I think the adjective puerile was reasonably accurate, many faults I may have, but paucity of lexicon is not one.
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The ability to use words that clearly communicate your thoughts is a skill.

Having a large vocabulary that you randomly chuck about shows a paucity of wisdom c.f. Johnson, Boris; or intellect c.f. Mogg, Jacob Rees-.

In other words, it would behoove you to rein in your ultracrepidarian perniciuos fatuousness.
 
Scrote said:
You're not going to raise the subject again, having raised the subject again?

We just have to take your word for it that something terrible happened four years ago, but, despite every news office in the land desperately looking for a reason to smear Momentum, nobody knew about it. Okay.


The ability to use words that clearly communicate your thoughts is a skill.

Having a large vocabulary that you randomly chuck about shows a paucity of wisdom c.f. Johnson, Boris; or intellect c.f. Mogg, Jacob Rees-.

In other words, it would behoove you to rein in your ultracrepidarian perniciuos fatuousness.
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SocraTees ?
 
Scrote said:
If most were like that then we'd have had a Corbyn led government. The problem is that most aren't like that. And enough of the not like thats are now realising that they too might suffer.

As with Brexit, they were warned. They thought they'd be above the watermark when then tide settled. Now they're neck deep and slowly going under it's suddenly imperative that the people that tried to stop it happening throw their lot in with those that caused it to happen.

Tough. You reap what you sow.
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We will have to agree to disagree but I think you are completely wrong.

I also believe many voters aleays vote for the same party no matter what and that most of the floaters make up their minds in the few weeks running up to an election.

Corbyn turned over a 20% deficit in the opinion polls in 4 weeks in 2017 to nearly win against Theresa May.

99.9% of people in this country are not activists.
 
At the end of the day tge only thing that really matters is what a party will do in power, we are seeing what truss government stand for, they have gone all out to line the pockets of the richest, more than any other tory government in the last 60 years , they are not even trying to hide it, they don't think they have to anymore after seeing chunks of the public supporting them no matter how bad they are.
A labour led government simply wouldn't do that.
The tory party have always profited by the fractured working classes .
To allow this government to continue unchecked is criminal.
 
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