KSI v Jake Paul “Fills any stadium in the world”

SmallTown said:
TBF I actually like KSI and the Sidemen too. But they are nothing more than games bloggers who got lucky. I honestly think youtube is both a brilliant and terrible thing. Anyone can produce "TV" and it means that any talent does get noticed by more people. However, as Mr Beast has proven you don't actually need to be any good. You just need to play the algorithm which is clearly a bad thing. And for them to be considered as anything more than bloggers is also sad. There should be a path form youtube to proper TV but to start making fizzy drinks or being able to sell more tickets for a boxing match than most boxers is sad.
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Fair enough, I have next to no interest in video games (football manager aside :cool:) so it's hardly surprising our paths haven't crossed.

My youtube viewing is pretty limited to live concerts, music sessions anyway.
 
Chappy112 said:
TV does not = quality either by the way.

I prefer YouTube to TV these days.
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NO good point. There is some good content on youtube. but I'd take Yellowstone over my Storer videos anyway. Youtube is the antithesis of good old fashioned story telling. Itspresentersnottakingbreaksbecausetheyhavetotellyoualltheinformaitonyouneediwhtin2minutesoryoulllswitchoff
 
Maury_Povich said:
Were they not given ranking points for Sunday's 'fight'?
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I don't know to be honest, I'm guessing by how that's worded that they do?

Neither of them are high up the ladder though, so won't have got many points I expect. If they do get artificially inflated points when they come up against another who doesn't then they're both going to get beat.

Fury is registered so might have some points somewhere, and as daft as it sounds Paul is probably the best fighter he's fought yet, and it was also his longest fight.

I don't even think either are top 50 in any ranking are they, and both haven't fought anyone top 50? They're not going to get to top 10 by fighting YouTubers and Love Island stars, that's for sure.
 
SmallTown said:
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I love the classic bait of a headline, and then with a 30 minute to 4 hour video, most aren't waiting that long for an anwser.
 
Andy_W said:
Fury is registered so might have some points somewhere, and as daft as it sounds Paul is probably the best fighter he's fought yet, and it was also his longest fight.
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I’ve been saying this since Sunday to people who were laughing at the idea that Jake Paul is a pro boxer. He’s miles better than any pro boxer Fury has fought.

Froch was laughing at Jake Paul thinking he’s a pro boxer after the fight, he obviously forgets some of the fighters he boxed in his first few fights.

They’re both at a terrible standard but they can absolutely be classed as pro boxers.
 
that fight they just had estimates they brought in 40m gross in ppv buys, pretty much guarantees they will have another really soon lol
 
Chappy112 said:
I’ve been saying this since Sunday to people who were laughing at the idea that Jake Paul is a pro boxer. He’s miles better than any pro boxer Fury has fought.

Froch was laughing at Jake Paul thinking he’s a pro boxer after the fight, he obviously forgets some of the fighters he boxed in his first few fights.

They’re both at a terrible standard but they can absolutely be classed as pro boxers.
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I know what you mean, he's just as much a pro as who Tommy is, he'd have beat everyone who Tommy did. the only reason Tommy got classed as "more of a pro" is because of his name.

I had a look through Tommy's fights earlier, and there were all absolute nobodies as far as who the public know, he hasn't had a knock out or TKO in his last 4 fights, longest fight has been 6 rounds before Jake Paul. Tommy's ranked 20/100 for UK light heavy,

9 Win 9–0 Jake Paul
8 Win 8–0 Daniel Bocianski 2 wins 2 losses, Rank 540 light heavy
7 Win 7–0 Anthony Taylor MMA, not even a good one
6 Win 6–0 Jordan Grant 6 wins 2 losses
5 Win 5–0 Scott Williams no wins, 23 losses???
4 Win 4–0 Genadij Krajevskij no wins, 47 losses???
3 Win 3–0 Przemyslaw Binienda 2 wins 42 losses
2 Win 2–0 Callum Ide 0 wins 35 losses
1 Win 1–0 Jevgenijs Andrejev 10 wins 111 losses

I always wondered how nearly every boxer you hear about has a record of like 30 wins and 2 losses etc, it never added up, and always wondered who the guys where who everyone battered, and there are loads of them, Tommy's been fighting them :LOL:

Don't get me wrong mind, everyone has got to start somewhere and they would all batter me, and I wouldn't want to fight any of them, but they're about as much as Pro boxers as I was a Pro Footballer for playing Northern League equivalent.
 
I feel a bit sorry for the likes of Carl froch and prof boxers who’ve put everything in the line for relative peanuts yet these youtuber guy are making more for one nights work thanks some guys make in a gruelling career.

You can’t blame the guys if the money is on offer!
 
Redka said:
I feel a bit sorry for the likes of Carl froch and prof boxers who’ve put everything in the line for relative peanuts yet these youtuber guy are making more for one nights work thanks some guys make in a gruelling career.

You can’t blame the guys if the money is on offer!
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Tommy Fury's the same though, he only got the love island gig as he's related to Tyson, fair play to him on sticking that love island thing out mind, and putting himself in there, that could have went bad for him. The same with the Jake Paul fight though, he's only there because of Tyson/ love island. The youtube guy is the only person there who's actually worked his way up to be famous himself (in a different field). Froch only got the media gig because he was a boxer etc. Jake Pauls money for that fight is youtube money, it's not boxing money.

Fury took a fair amount of risk with his boxing career by taking that fight with Paul, especially considering he's a relative novice himself, that could have been his boxing career over, if he has one.

Same with Beckhams kids getting trials at Man Utd, or LA Galaxy or whatever, or some random lads kid getting a boro trial as he knows the gaffer or the kit man etc.

Most of it is who you know, not what you know, it's the same in a lot of industries etc.
 
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Andy_W said:
I know what you mean, he's just as much a pro as who Tommy is, he'd have beat everyone who Tommy did. the only reason Tommy got classed as "more of a pro" is because of his name.

I had a look through Tommy's fights earlier, and there were all absolute nobodies as far as who the public know, he hasn't had a knock out or TKO in his last 4 fights, longest fight has been 6 rounds before Jake Paul. Tommy's ranked 20/100 for UK light heavy,

9 Win 9–0 Jake Paul
8 Win 8–0 Daniel Bocianski 2 wins 2 losses, Rank 540 light heavy
7 Win 7–0 Anthony Taylor MMA, not even a good one
6 Win 6–0 Jordan Grant 6 wins 2 losses
5 Win 5–0 Scott Williams no wins, 23 losses???
4 Win 4–0 Genadij Krajevskij no wins, 47 losses???
3 Win 3–0 Przemyslaw Binienda 2 wins 42 losses
2 Win 2–0 Callum Ide 0 wins 35 losses
1 Win 1–0 Jevgenijs Andrejev 10 wins 111 losses

I always wondered how nearly every boxer you hear about has a record of like 30 wins and 2 losses etc, it never added up, and always wondered who the guys where who everyone battered, and there are loads of them, Tommy's been fighting them :LOL:

Don't get me wrong mind, everyone has got to start somewhere and they would all batter me, and I wouldn't want to fight any of them, but they're about as much as Pro boxers as I was a Pro Footballer for playing Northern League equivalent.
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yeah clearly some people who get paid to give him people some 1s on their win column stats lol. must pay well otherwise you would think I've lost 100 of these fights maybe I'll quit lol.
 
muniz said:
yeah clearly some people who get paid to give him people some 1s on their win column stats lol. must pay well otherwise you would think I've lost 100 of these fights maybe I'll quit lol.
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It's mad isn't it, I always thought there would be some guys who take a beating, but you never actually see them until you really go looking.

That 111 loss guy must basically be a punch bag and have no arms/ jaw. Do you think he just dives on the floor, or actually has been knocked out/ battered 100 times? I'm surprised he's still alive.

Stat padding of the highest order, like Pele with his "1000 goals".
 
Two and a half years promoting the Jake Paul
Tommy Fury fight.. brings in the big bucks.

Boxers seem to think training and fighting is what makes the money.. it’s a bit like what Napster did to the music business. Artists were allowed to make, promote and sell their music and keep all the profits themselves.

They just thought learning music, writing good songs was the bit that would make them money.

The house always wins as they say.
 
Andy_W said:
It's mad isn't it, I always thought there would be some guys who take a beating, but you never actually see them until you really go looking.

That 111 loss guy must basically be a punch bag and have no arms/ jaw. Do you think he just dives on the floor, or actually has been knocked out/ battered 100 times? I'm surprised he's still alive.

Stat padding of the highest order, like Pele with his "1000 goals".
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Andy_W said:
Yeah, most are confusing this, for what it is. Kids/ younger folk/ social media folk would watch them do anything, that's what their market is. Even if 1% of them took an actual interest in this, then it would be more than the number of fans a typical boxer has at Tommy's level.

As for Paul or KSI fans, 99% of them would probably never go to a boxing match, and 90% wouldn't ever pay for a PPV fight, they're a different fanbase.

I don't know one actual boxing fan who would have bought this fight, certainly none for Paul. A few might for Tommy, but that's not because of what he's done in the ring, it's because he was on love island, and he only got that gig because he's related to Tyson. You're probably getting 5% of Paul's fans interested, and probably 5% of Tyson Fury's (not Tommy Furys own fans), who have watered down to watching Love Island with the missus, then further watered down into this. I doubt many love island only fans bought it, probably as most of these are women and not who this sort of PPV is aimed at.

Don't think of it like a boxing match, it's not, think of it like a guy extremely famous for youtube stunts/ social media doing something against Love Island, it doesn't matter whether it's boxing, a drinking competition or tiddly winks. It's like Brian Lara playing Tennis against Usain Bolt, Tennis fans won't be bothered, but they're not the target market, the respective fans of the participant's area are, and enough will go for it.

Neither of them are likely to make the Top 10 in any boxing field, but if they do then fair play, they will have had to do some graft to get there. Sure they may get an opportunity to get near that, which no other would have got, but sport is filled with that anyway, it's like how pro's kids always get trials in any sport, and they always have.

People talk like only Paul is the bad one, like he's not earned that, but Tommy's only there for similar reasons too.
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Fair play @Andy_W thank you for taking time to post this, it breaks it down to its lowest possible denominator, and makes perfect sense too. I particular enjoyed the Brian Lara having a gentle game against Usain Bolt analogy!!
 
Kevo4 said:
Fair play @Andy_W thank you for taking time to post this, it breaks it down to its lowest possible denominator, and makes perfect sense too. I particular enjoyed the Brian Lara having a gentle game against Usain Bolt analogy!!
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No probs just wanted to get across it's (the event) just aimed at percentages of big numbers (youtubers, kids, love islanders), it doesn't actually matter what the event it is, and has no reflection on the field of the event, it's not even aimed at that field, the field is ancillary.

Yeah, that would have probably got a lot of watchers from the West Indies, and to be fair they all seem to like Cricket and Sprinting, there would have been a lot of fan cross over I expect (unlike youtube and love island) :LOL: Wouldn't fancy facing Usain Bolt bowling mind.
 
Maury_Povich said:
Were they not given ranking points for Sunday's 'fight'?
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The WBC offered to rank the winner of the fight so Tommy has officially been entered into the WBC Top 50 Cruiserweight rankings. I don't believe any of the other sanctioning bodies recognised it.

No doubt they were hoping Jake Paul would have won and seen the potential for giving JP a pathway in professional boxing and gaining exposure etc.
 
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