Killing Animals that attack people

Druss_The_Legend said:
I wasn't totally disagreeing with your point, I just feel like it will inevitably happen that people will be killed or seriously injured when large Apex Predators are reintroduce into areas which are not large enough to keep the animals away from Humans. I totally agree that the animals shouldn't be killed unless they find the animal has attacked because it was for example injured so couldn't catch it's normal food and was suffering which could possibly cause further attacks on Humans.
I am against trophy hunting I feel it is a needless hobby, hunting for food is different in my opinion and I'm not against culls of invasive species which can cause havoc with the local ecosystems.
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I didn't think you were disagreeing but just pointing out the space argument, and truthfully, I think I agree with you. We just need to understand that there are these predators roaming the mountain ranges in Europe and how to react if we do come across them.

The hunting argument is a totally separate debate but you can see the need for culls when you look at the wild boars that are invading Catalan towns and cities.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I didn't think you were disagreeing but just pointing out the space argument, and truthfully, I think I agree with you. We just need to understand that there are these predators roaming the mountain ranges in Europe and how to react if we do come across them.

The hunting argument is a totally separate debate but you can see the need for culls when you look at the wild boars that are invading Catalan towns and cities.
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With regards to culling I was thinking about the Burmese Python problem in the US,the feral pig problem in Australia and the American Mink in the UK which can and are devastating UK waterways and native wildlife(when I was fishing last summer one of them was at the lake, came within about 6 feet of me so they really don't have any fears regarding humans). The grey squirrel is another invasive species which has almost wiped out native red squirrels in this country in fact I can't ever remember seeing a red squirrel in the wild which is sad.
 
Druss_The_Legend said:
With regards to culling I was thinking about the Burmese Python problem in the US,the feral pig problem in Australia and the American Mink in the UK which can and are devastating UK waterways and native wildlife(when I was fishing last summer one of them was at the lake, came within about 6 feet of me so they really don't have any fears regarding humans). The grey squirrel is another invasive species which has almost wiped out native red squirrels in this country in fact I can't ever remember seeing a red squirrel in the wild which is sad.
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I was in a country hall estate recently and the groundsman took us on a walk around the grounds to see the deer.
There were around 200 which breed every year.
He was quite laid back about telling us he shoots around 100 a year.

The reality is they have no natural predator so culling is common place.
 
1finny said:
I was in a country hall estate recently and the groundsman took us on a walk around the grounds to see the deer.
There were around 200 which breed every year.
He was quite laid back about telling us he shoots around 100 a year.

The reality is they have no natural predator so culling is common place.
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In Epping Forest near where I live the amount of deer is crazy, driving through parts of the forest especially at night and a full herd will cross Infront of you, in the local groups they put warning out about deer activity. With regards to culling deer it's not really wasted as they will be used for food. They can strip the bark off trees and do quite a lot of damage.
 
festa5 said:
Certainly not just or fair.

Done out of the belief that once a wild animal attacks humans they're more likely to do it again. Not sure there's much research to support that mind.
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Since when were bears ever just or fair? If human ideas of justice or fairness are to be attached to the animal kingdom, then justice and fairness needs a lot of work. There are many many mass murderers out there. Is it fair that a salmon, swimming home to spawn for the first time in five years, is casually caught and murdered by a bear? Of course not.

The question is, I suppose, are humans actually above the animal kingdom as has been the traditional belief, and therefore have full rights (and responsibilities) over the animal kingdom? Or are we merely on a par with animals, which of course would give us the same rights as the animals have to defend ourselves and go on the attack against them (arguably without the responsibilities)? Because what seems to be proposed here is that we are below the level of animals, and they can do to us what we daren't do back to them.
 
I always feel sorry for a shark. A person goes swimming / surfing looking like a seal and gets bitten. Then we hunt the shark.

It's all very odd. I mean maybe don't go in an sea that's known for sharks and shark attacks. Also if you do then it's gotta be 'on you'. It's not the sharks fault.

I mean I've been to south africa with the armed forces. They organised a surfing day as adventure training. The beach was full of shark warning signs. I didn't go in. Simple 🦈😂
 
dsr-burnley said:
Since when were bears ever just or fair? If human ideas of justice or fairness are to be attached to the animal kingdom, then justice and fairness needs a lot of work. There are many many mass murderers out there. Is it fair that a salmon, swimming home to spawn for the first time in five years, is casually caught and murdered by a bear? Of course not.

The question is, I suppose, are humans actually above the animal kingdom as has been the traditional belief, and therefore have full rights (and responsibilities) over the animal kingdom? Or are we merely on a par with animals, which of course would give us the same rights as the animals have to defend ourselves and go on the attack against them (arguably without the responsibilities)? Because what seems to be proposed here is that we are below the level of animals, and they can do to us what we daren't do back to them.
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Sorry, you're quite right. Bears are just homicidal maniacs wandering around murdering innocent Salmon minding their own business.

b***ds the lot of them who deserve everything they get.
 
I saw a documentary on TV a while ago about an area of the US that had reintroduced wolves, which had been driven out years ago.
The result was that over time, everything improved including the quality of the river. The presence of the wolves was affecting the numbers and health of their prey, and the knock-on effect passed right through the local flora and fauna and restored the natural balance.
 
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