Killing Animals that attack people

[1finny]

Always wondered about this.
Man out jogging is mauled and killed by a bear.
So, they are going out to hunt the bear and kill it.

I remember a similar one last year when some wild campers in USA were attacked by bears.
The next day a group went out to hunt the bears and kill them.

Maybe understand it if you are sat having yer tea in the garden but - these people are in the wild where….. errrrrr Bears live.

Bear kills jogger on woodland path in northern Italy

Mauled body of Andrea Papi, 26, found overnight after he failed to return from run near his village

www.theguardian.com

 

[festa5]

Certainly not just or fair.

Done out of the belief that once a wild animal attacks humans they're more likely to do it again. Not sure there's much research to support that mind.

 

[1finny]

Certainly not just or fair.

Done out of the belief that once a wild animal attacks humans they're more likely to do it again. Not sure there's much research to support that mind.

I suppose that is a possibility.
Even so, if we want ‘wild’ animals to survive in the wilderness perhaps we have to recognise their behaviour may well be to kill any other animal (incl us) time and time again.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Yes, it puzzles me. It's like we haven't thought it through but crave retribution.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

Not just or fair, domestic animals on the hand?

 

[Muttley]

It is one of the great challenges of Conservation. How people can live alongside wild animals. Bears are not a great example as they are Omnivores rather than Carnivores but if you take the example of Lions. Lions have for millennia predated humans (of various species). We are a large, slow moving bipedal meal. So as human settlement expands and the areas that lions live in contact with humans there are inevitably incidents where lions will take (usually) older people and/or children. They evolved to do this, there is no "special relationship" that has put us off the menu. Historically there are proven examples of certain individuals becoming habitual "man-eaters". The "Tsavo Man-Eaters" were a case in point where a pair of male lions killed an estimate 135 people (mostly construction workers) during the building of the Kenya-Uganda Railway. In such cases there is an obvious need to eliminate those lions they were not simply killing people who blundered into their path, they were hunting them.

 

[johnsmithsno2]

Preyed on rather than predated? (Pedant)

 

[Brian Marwood]

Man goes in sea, shark kills man, man kills shark.

Obvious answer is to rehouse the shark on land.

 

[1finny]

It is one of the great challenges of Conservation. How people can live alongside wild animals. Bears are not a great example as they are Omnivores rather than Carnivores but if you take the example of Lions. Lions have for millennia predated humans (of various species). We are a large, slow moving bipedal meal. So as human settlement expands and the areas that lions live in contact with humans there are inevitably incidents where lions will take (usually) older people and/or children. They evolved to do this, there is no "special relationship" that has put us off the menu. Historically there are proven examples of certain individuals becoming habitual "man-eaters". The "Tsavo Man-Eaters" were a case in point where a pair of male lions killed an estimate 135 people (mostly construction workers) during the building of the Kenya-Uganda Railway. In such cases there is an obvious need to eliminate those lions they were not simply killing people who blundered into their path, they were hunting them.

It’s a tricky one
Suppose it’s the same with shark attacks on surfers.
There are those that think sharks then ‘hunt’ surfers.

I still find it a conundrum that (using your lion example) we kill lions necause they hunted men. We are fine with them hunting other animals.
I haven’t got a solution - I’m just pondering.

Not just or fair, domestic animals on the hand?

It’s a really good point - I’m probably in the ‘yes that’s prob ok’ camp given society’s view of ‘pets’.
There is a discussion to be had around the morality and ethics of ‘animal’ ownership but I recognise most don’t want to go there.

 

[Norman_Conquest]

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Always wondered about this.
Man out jogging is mauled and killed by a bear.
So, they are going out to hunt the bear and kill it.

I remember a similar one last year when some wild campers in USA were attacked by bears.
The next day a group went out to hunt the bears and kill them.

Maybe understand it if you are sat having yer tea in the garden but - these people are in the wild where….. errrrrr Bears live.

Bear kills jogger on woodland path in northern Italy

Mauled body of Andrea Papi, 26, found overnight after he failed to return from run near his village

www.theguardian.com

I think we will see a lot more animal attacks on humans in Europe due to the likes of bears and wolves being re-introduced in the region and these animals expanding and establishing new territories. We need to find a way to co-exist alongside them and maybe look at Canada and America to educate the people in the region on the bears behaviour.

Do we hunt and kill them if they do attack? I don’t think any of us are qualified enough to answer that question and it should be left to people who understand the animals behaviour to answer.

 

[Centralscrutinizer]

It seems unfair except in the case of wasps

 

[coluka]

The hunting of any creature for ’sport’ is simply wrong on every level. The hunting of any creature for killing a human is also wrong, it is up to humans to adapt and devise methods to co-exist alongside. Shark netting being one such method.
I presume the deaths caused by bears attacking humans will be predominantly down to humans getting to up close and personal in trying to answer the eternal question about bears and their toiletry habits.

 

[Druss_The_Legend]

We need to find a way to co-exist alongside them and maybe look at Canada and America to educate the people in the region on the bears behaviour.

The difference is that America and Canada have vast amounts of wilderness and national parks, I think the US national parks are about the same size per square mile as the UK, so In the case of US and Canada it not as much about co-existing it's about the animals have enough space to live like wild animals without as much chance of Human interaction (but even then unfortunate incidents happen between humans and wild animals).

 

[1finny]

The hunting of any creature for ’sport’ is simply wrong on every level. The hunting of any creature for killing a human is also wrong, it is up to humans to adapt and devise methods to co-exist alongside. Shark netting being one such method.
I presume the deaths caused by bears attacking humans will be predominantly down to humans getting to up close and personal in trying to answer the eternal question about bears and their toiletry habits.

I tend to support your view

 

[TeessideCleveland]

Not just or fair, domestic animals on the hand?

If they attacked eg a kid outside etc they should be, but not if they attack eg a burglar breaking into their house

 

[1finny]

If they attacked eg a kid outside etc they should be, but not if they attack eg a burglar breaking into their house

What if the kid was a shoplifter?

 

[Blf]

Bears in the USA are dangerous enough without the 2nd amendment and the right to arm bears.

 

[Norman_Conquest]

The difference is that America and Canada have vast amounts of wilderness and national parks, I think the US national parks are about the same size per square mile as the UK, so In the case of US and Canada it not as much about co-existing it's about the animals have enough space to live like wild animals without as much chance of Human interaction (but even then unfortunate incidents happen between humans and wild animals).

I fully understand your point about the space they have in North America but they still have incidents of bears and humans coming into contact. It usually through when we go into their space. There is a lot we could learn from them to prevent having to hunt and kill an innocent animal.

 

[NYboro]

I fully understand your point about the space they have in North America but they still have incidents of bears and humans coming into contact. It usually through when we go into their space. There is a lot we could learn from them to prevent having to hunt and kill an innocent animal.

In the States they generally capture and relocate wild animals that encroach on "civilisation".

 

[Druss_The_Legend]

I fully understand your point about the space they have in North America but they still have incidents of bears and humans coming into contact. It usually through when we go into their space. There is a lot we could learn from them to prevent having to hunt and kill an innocent animal.

I wasn't totally disagreeing with your point, I just feel like it will inevitably happen that people will be killed or seriously injured when large Apex Predators are reintroduce into areas which are not large enough to keep the animals away from Humans. I totally agree that the animals shouldn't be killed unless they find the animal has attacked because it was for example injured so couldn't catch it's normal food and was suffering which could possibly cause further attacks on Humans.
I am against trophy hunting I feel it is a needless hobby, hunting for food is different in my opinion and I'm not against culls of invasive species which can cause havoc with the local ecosystems.