Keto'ish' diet

He's a bloke that sells diets so it's obviously within his interest to throw a load of "believable" science at you as a reason to do what he says in his books.
Nano said:
You lose weight by fasting because you eat less in total over.

Keto is the same. It's clever sounding science to sell you books/programmes.

Keto "works" by suggesting you burn fat cells as energy first when in ketosis. Even if it is true it doesn't change anything. If you consume 2000 calories per day and burn 2500 then in ketosis you might use 2000 of stored energy cells (fat) before using the calories you consume but your body has to do something with the excess calories so it stores them (as fat). The order makes no difference. The important bit is you've consumed 500 calories fewer than you needed so have reduced your stored energy (fat) by 500 calories and will lose weight.

Weight loss is really, really simple but telling people to eat less than they use doesn't sell many books.
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its been proven that if you have 2 people who eat 2500 calories (and go into a deficit) if one person eats 50g of protein and the other 200g then the person who eats 200 would lose weight quicker
 
ForssAwakens said:
He's a bloke that sells diets so it's obviously within his interest to throw a load of "believable" science at you as a reason to do what he says in his books.

its been proven that if you have 2 people who eat 2500 calories (and go into a deficit) if one person eats 50g of protein and the other 200g then the person who eats 200 would lose weight quicker
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But it would slow down and the other would catch up. Over the long term they'd be identical weights.

That's how they trick you with all these diet fads by looking at individual metrics over specific time periods. Over the long term 2500 calories are 2500 calories and the laws of thermodynamics can't be sidestepped.
 
Nano said:
But it would slow down and the other would catch up. Over the long term they'd be identical weights.

That's how they trick you with all these diet fads by looking at individual metrics over specific time periods. Over the long term 2500 calories are 2500 calories and the laws of thermodynamics can't be sidestepped.
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A higher protein diet will cut faster that’s a fact, it’s all about tricking the body in what it uses as energy and how fat is stored.
 
ForssAwakens said:
He's a bloke that sells diets so it's obviously within his interest to throw a load of "believable" science at you as a reason to do what he says in his books.

its been proven that if you have 2 people who eat 2500 calories (and go into a deficit) if one person eats 50g of protein and the other 200g then the person who eats 200 would lose weight quicker
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But would a person who is eating more protein (and lifting weights) lose more FAT and keep more muscle than someone on a carb heavy diet

After all, when people say “weight loss”, what they usually actually want is fat loss
 
AytonMews said:
But would a person who is eating more protein (and lifting weights) lose more FAT and keep more muscle than someone on a carb heavy diet

After all, when people say “weight loss”, what they usually actually want is fat loss
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Would a person who is eating more carbs (and lifting weights) lose more FAT and keep more muscle than someone on a protein heavy diet?
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Quicksilvera said:
A higher protein diet will cut faster that’s a fact, it’s all about tricking the body in what it uses as energy and how fat is stored.
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It's not. The quickest way to lose weight is to dehydrate yourself but that isn't sustainable. Protein is good because it satiates you better than other macros so you are less likely to consume more calories. You couldn't eat just protein though.

You can't trick your body to not convert the calories you consume into energy. You either use the energy straight away or you convert it to stored energy. Over the long term it really doesn't matter if you use the consumed or the stored first. Calories don't just pass through you, they are used or they are stored. If you use more than you consume them you will lose weight, if you consume more than you use you will gain weight
 
Nano said:
It's not. The quickest way to lose weight is to dehydrate yourself but that isn't sustainable. Protein is good because it satiates you better than other macros so you are less likely to consume more calories. You couldn't eat just protein though.

You can't trick your body to not convert the calories you consume into energy. You either use the energy straight away or you convert it to stored energy. Over the long term it really doesn't matter if you use the consumed or the stored first. Calories don't just pass through you, they are used or they are stored. If you use more than you consume them you will lose weight, if you consume more than you use you will gain weight
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You can and that’s why people use the ketosis diet,
Nano said:
It's not. The quickest way to lose weight is to dehydrate yourself but that isn't sustainable. Protein is good because it satiates you better than other macros so you are less likely to consume more calories. You couldn't eat just protein though.

You can't trick your body to not convert the calories you consume into energy. You either use the energy straight away or you convert it to stored energy. Over the long term it really doesn't matter if you use the consumed or the stored first. Calories don't just pass through you, they are used or they are stored. If you use more than you consume them you will lose weight, if you consume more than you use you will gain weight
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The main reason people do the Keto diet is to trick your body into using its fat stores by minimising carbs.

All calories are not the same.
 
Quicksilvera said:
You can and that’s why people use the ketosis diet,

The main reason people do the Keto diet is to trick your body into using its fat stores by minimising carbs.

All calories are not the same.
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All calories are the same. It is a unit of energy.

Tricking your body into using fat stores first doesn't make any difference. The net result is the same. You aren't s***ing out all the calories you eat. Your body is just storing them if it's not using them as energy.

The only thing being tricked are the people following a stupid diet. The reason keto is popular is because you lose a lot of weight quickly but it is almost all because you are deprived of fruit and veg which has a high water content and you don't adjust your drinking to compensate so it is just water weight. It looks impressive on the scale but you haven't lost that much fat and will easily put it back on as you rehydrate. That's why most dieters hit a plateau after a few weeks.

You can lose weight with keto, like you can with every diet, but you are only losing weight because you are consuming fewer calories than you are burning. You can achieve that much easier, and more sustainably by just maintaining a calorie deficit. The benefit of ketosis is it raises the calories you burn but it's a very marginal amount and really isn't worth it.

The best thing about a regular calorie deficit diet is that you don't need to change anything. When you go round a friend's or out for a meal you just eat whatever is available and track the calories and adjust your "budget". You can have Xmas dinner, load up on booze, cheese and chocolates and as long as you reduce consumption elsewhere you will still lose weight.

Weight loss doesn't have to be complicated. Eat less, move more. It really is that simple.
 
Nano said:
The best thing about a regular calorie deficit diet is that you don't need to change anything. When you go round a friend's or out for a meal you just eat whatever is available and track the calories and adjust your "budget". You can have Xmas dinner, load up on booze, cheese and chocolates and as long as you reduce consumption elsewhere you will still lose weight.

Weight loss doesn't have to be complicated. Eat less, move more. It really is that simple.
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Literally this.

I went round and round for years trying different diets which usually always worked in the short term, however I would either eventually plateau or I would be completely fed up in my day to day life trying to stick to the certain 'rules'. So I spent a bit of time a while ago looking at the calorie content of certain foods I would eat regularly (my fitness pal is a great tool for this, as you can literally scan the bar codes on the packet and it will tell you the content), some of which were pretty surprising, due to some foods being historically labelled 'healthy' and some foods being labelled 'unhealthy'. Once you get a feel for how many calories you are consuming (roughly) daily, it becomes quite easy to manage your food intake the same way you would manage say your bank balance over a week. Since applying this method, I've been much more consistent and happier with my weight. I've also found that mentally it works better for me, as if I have a big blow out on the food or drink, I know I can make it back up over the coming days / week by just not consuming as much, so things level out, thus I don't get the guilt for 'messing up' my diet...

The fat loss industry has done a great job of confusing people into thinking that losing fat is a lot more difficult than it actually is.

If, however, you find the keto diet, fasting, or any other diet works for you, then that is also great. But for anybody who chops and changes how they approach their food intake, I'd definitely suggest looking at it as I've described above (y)
 
All calories might be the same but the source of calories will effect how you body uses/burns then

People on the keto diet do not just lost weight from water retention. The way you diet effects the way your metabolism works.

It’s complicated and above everyone here including me, on that basis all calaories can not be the same as they effect how our body reacts

It’s right to say a calorie is a calorie, but it’s incorrect to say that everyone ate 2500 calaories but with different diets they would lose gain weight in the exact same way
 
JackG said:
Is that zero cals fasting?
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We are allowed water and tea without milk (I’ve drank black tea for years)

Just to add that this isn’t about trying to lose weight - so different from the other posters comments on this thread - it’s about body cell maintenance to keep you healthy which we think is emerging but obviously not mainstream thinking…short fasting (because you don’t want to lose your muscle mass through not eating protein for too long)
 
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I'm just breaking my fast. Porridge with fruit and nuts on then a cup of tea. I do it every morning as part of my sensible balanced diet.
Works a treat 🧐
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
I'm just breaking my fast. Porridge with fruit and nuts on then a cup of tea. I do it every morning as part of my sensible balanced diet.
Works a treat 🧐
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A lot of these diets talk about longevity etc and cognitive benefits

But where people love the longest (med and Japan) they eat carbs.

I have found cognitive benefits from fasting and having a high protein diet but I believe that’s more linked you have this heightened state as you needed it to get your next meal
 
ForssAwakens said:
All calories might be the same but the source of calories will effect how you body uses/burns then

People on the keto diet do not just lost weight from water retention. The way you diet effects the way your metabolism works.

It’s complicated and above everyone here including me, on that basis all calaories can not be the same as they effect how our body reacts

It’s right to say a calorie is a calorie, but it’s incorrect to say that everyone ate 2500 calaories but with different diets they would lose gain weight in the exact same way
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This is correct but it is almost entirely due to people's Basal Metabolic Rate and their exercise. I would put weight on eating 2500 calories a day because I sit at a desk all day for work but someone that is on their feet all day wouldn't.

I didn't say keto just causes water loss. I said people on keto lose a lot of weight quickly but the majority of that is water and not fat. They lose weight fat because they are in a calorie deficit. Keto might cause the BMR to be higher, and that is the theory that is sold, but it's very marginal.

It takes about 3700 calories deficit/surplus to lose/gain 1lb of fat but everyone on a diet loses more weight in the beginning but it's not fat, it's water. Good example of the fluctuations is to weigh yourself every hour for a day and see how it changes. You can't be in a 3700 cal deficit in a single day so you can't lose even 1lb of fat but your weight will go up and down through the day
 
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