Keto Diet

I decided to go on a diet after putting on a few pounds over the past couple of years and decided to try the Keto Diet. The idea is you cut out or minimize your carb intake so your body produces ketones and goes from burning carbs/sugar for energy to fat burning mode.

I started about 3 weeks ago and have lost about 10 pounds but i seem to have stopped losing weight at the rate i have been doing even though i have ate the same foods and portion sizes every day.

Has anyone been on this type of diet before and is this normal?
You've probably lost water (carbs store/ bind onto water), now there's no more water left to lose, so you'll need to shift some fat (ideally not muscle) to lose any more weight, this is the hard bit.

Like some above are saying, the reason most people lose weight on Keto is because it cuts down their calorie intake.

A calorie deficit is the best way to lose weight, but you must do it in a way where your macros are not all over the place, so need a balance of carbs, fats, proteins etc, it doesn't need to be bang on for the day, but being close for the week will REALLY help.

Use a food tracker, like myfitnesspal, and be extremely strict with it. Be careful with processed foods as the calories listed on them can be out by 10%-20% etc, and some do this intentionally with their labels, to make them appear healthier than they are. I try and avoid processed foods for this reason, or when having processed food I make an extra allowance of 10% or so.

You also need to figure out how many calories you're burning in a "normal" day, something like an apple watch or activity tracker can help with this, but it's not an exact science. A typical guy might burn 2500 with a relatively active job (but no dedicated exercise), but the same guy might only burn 2000 calories if he's sat on his **** all day.

About 7000 calorie deficit over a week should lose around 1kg/ 2lb, for an "average" person but for many, this is too much/ too quick, so will just lead to hunger and then a binge which will wreck everything. I try and stick to ~3500-5000 calorie deficit per week, when trying to lose weight, and it's worked extremely well, albeit it's harder when you get older. So say that's a 20% calorie deficit, eating 2000 per day, but burning 2500 per day.

Be careful trying to lose weight without doing enough exercise, as you'll just end up losing muscle, and losing muscle will greatly reduce the amount of calories your body naturally burns. This is where leads of people screw up, they just end up losing muscle, not fat, so they end up lighter but with the same fat, then with the body inevitably burning less calories, they pile the weight back on (in fat) and then go above where they started.

For me, now I'm a bit older (and it's a bit harder), I try only eating between midday and 8pm helps keep calorie intake down (never been much of a breakfast person anyway). A also tend to allow less calories during the week, but more on a weekend, so it might be 5 days at say 1800, and then two days at 2500, or 5 days at 1700 and two days at 2750 etc.

So, in summary/ TLDR:
Find out what your body naturally burns on an average day (not a day you do more than average exercise etc) (BMR like @Littlejimmy says below)
20-30% calorie deficit, for whatever you naturally burn (adjust this as you lose weight)
Get your macros right, i.e eat plenty of protein so you don't lose muscle, and still eat carbs so you've got easy access to energy
Do some exercise, ideally varied, so you're not losing muscle
Try and eat a varied diet
Only weigh yourself once a week or even better, once a month (ideally at the same time/ day)
Take some measurements of your waist, legs, chest etc this will help as you will notice these decreasing even if your weight doesn't appear to be
Ultimately most people want to lose weight because they're not happy with how they look, or want to fit into their clothes better, so pay more attention to measurements, than weight. Would you rather be 2 inches less on the waist and weigh the same, or lose 2kg and it be un-noticeable? Muscle weighs more than fat, but has a lesser volume. So you can gain 1kg of muscle, lose 1kg of fat, and you'll be skinnier. Loads fail on this aspect as they don't see the scale move, but ignore that they can now get in their old clothes.
Have some cheat(ish) days, so you don't end up mardy (as this will lead to binges/ failure), but still track what you're eating/ drinking
 
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In simplish terms: Find your Base Metabolic Rate (there are sites you can do this on), multiply that by 1.2 or 1.3 depending on activity levels, then calculate a deficit of 1000 kcals a day for 2lb a week loss or 500 kcals for 1lb. You can be flexible through the week. The most important macro to watch is protein, make sure you get enough as this (along with exercise) helps maintain muscle.
 
Forgot to add, if you want it explaining in basic terms, with a Northern twang, have a look at Team RH, they have an active facebook and a website etc.

They're very good at helping people, and doing it the right/ healthy/ sustainable way.

All of what they say is basically how I and many others have been thinking for years, but they put it across in a way which is simple to understand and will help people manage it if they struggle with numbers/ understanding.
 
Thanks, good info Andy_W. I've never been able to get into calorie counting as it seems to be a bit OCD. Maybe I should try and get into it if I'm going to ever lose the large beer belly! Do you count and weigh absolutely everything including veg? The missus refuses to weigh veg and she does all the cooking. I need to lose at least 7 stones and would love to manage it but I just never seem to be able to find the motivation. The missus likes Slimming World but the mention of 'syns' really puts me off it.
 
Thanks, good info Andy_W. I've never been able to get into calorie counting as it seems to be a bit OCD. Maybe I should try and get into it if I'm going to ever lose the large beer belly! Do you count and weigh absolutely everything including veg? The missus refuses to weigh veg and she does all the cooking. I need to lose at least 7 stones and would love to manage it but I just never seem to be able to find the motivation. The missus likes Slimming World but the mention of 'syns' really puts me off it.

When I did it for ease of use I ignored things that were basically 0 calories. So veg I wouldn't bother weighing. If I was making a meal I'd just add the meat and anything particularly calorific. A lot of stuff you can just scan the barcode. If you eat the same meal regularly you can save the full meal and add that in instead of doing it individually etc. It was just as useful to know roughly what you are consuming than knowing exactly. Being up or down by a few calories makes no difference, you can't track your calorie output accurately so a small variation on your input doesn't matter.
 
Thanks, good info Andy_W. I've never been able to get into calorie counting as it seems to be a bit OCD. Maybe I should try and get into it if I'm going to ever lose the large beer belly! Do you count and weigh absolutely everything including veg? The missus refuses to weigh veg and she does all the cooking. I need to lose at least 7 stones and would love to manage it but I just never seem to be able to find the motivation. The missus likes Slimming World but the mention of 'syns' really puts me off it.
It is OCD, but it's the most reliable way of doing it in a healthy manner, and keeping the weight off.

The other way is train your nuts off, which most people find far, far harder.

Slimming world is largely a con, but loosely based on calories I suppose. No food is free though!

You do need to weigh veg, but as it is less calorie dense, it's much less of a problem than not weighing oil, cheese, chocolate etc.

If she can't be arsed weighing it, then just look at the pack and estimate, after a while you will learn how much 100g or carrots/ potatoes etc is. Leafy veg, mushrooms and tomatoes are far less calorie dense, so less of a problem. I still weigh carrots and spuds etc, as I'm a greedy git, but if I estimated and added 20% I know I'd be covered.

There's things on myfitnesspal where you can just add 1-1000 calories or whatver and not attribute it to anything, makes things easier for when you've got a little more experience.

You can also get some items which make healthier cooking easier, like a rice cooker, air fryer, George Forman style grille, pressure cooker (soup) etc.

Daft things like absorbing oil with kitchen towel when frying mince/ sausages can really help, this can save loads of calories, but I don't take any off for this, I just see it as a bonus.

Things like not shopping when hungry, having some soup/ something healthy/ a couple of pints of water before going out for meal, can stop you pigging out too (works for me), and daft things like not getting starters when you know the meals are going to be ample sized.
 
It is OCD, but it's the most reliable way of doing it in a healthy manner, and keeping the weight off.

The other way is train your nuts off, which most people find far, far harder.

Slimming world is largely a con, but loosely based on calories I suppose. No food is free though!

You do need to weigh veg, but as it is less calorie dense, it's much less of a problem than not weighing oil, cheese, chocolate etc.

If she can't be arsed weighing it, then just look at the pack and estimate, after a while you will learn how much 100g or carrots/ potatoes etc is. Leafy veg, mushrooms and tomatoes are far less calorie dense, so less of a problem. I still weigh carrots and spuds etc, as I'm a greedy git, but if I estimated and added 20% I know I'd be covered.

There's things on myfitnesspal where you can just add 1-1000 calories or whatver and not attribute it to anything, makes things easier for when you've got a little more experience.

You can also get some items which make healthier cooking easier, like a rice cooker, air fryer, George Forman style grille, pressure cooker (soup) etc.

Daft things like absorbing oil with kitchen towel when frying mince/ sausages can really help, this can save loads of calories, but I don't take any off for this, I just see it as a bonus.

Things like not shopping when hungry, having some soup/ something healthy/ a couple of pints of water before going out for meal, can stop you pigging out too (works for me), and daft things like not getting starters when you know the meals are going to be ample sized.

Thanks again. Just had a look at Team RH and it looks to be very good value. Might give it a try.
 
Thanks again. Just had a look at Team RH and it looks to be very good value. Might give it a try.
It's probably the most realistic/ down to earth/ honest advice you will probably get form a diet company, from any I've seen anyway. I watcha lot of their video's albeit not got any of their apps or made any payments to them. They seem to have a good community too. They (Team RH) can be brutal mind, and some can't take that, but I think that approach is better that telling someone they're doing well, when they really aren't.

There's lots of holes in all of the other diet schemes, either they're just scams (slimming world etc) or just going for short term results in an unhealthy way. I'm certain that a lot of them want to give good initial results, and then want you to fail, so you come back, again and again.

I've tried Atkins and Keto, effectively as a bet, but they were awful for training/ exercise, and seemed too strict to be sustainable long term. The good thing about calorie counting is it doesn't have to feel like a diet, and if you've got some control you can really have some give and take, and still progress well.
 
Without wanting to pry too much, your username might suggest a fondness for the ale...

I have had conversations with friends discussing the need to "lose weight" and when you dig down they are drawn to dieting because they don't want to address the amount of useless calories they are consuming as wine/beer. Not saying that is the case with you but if you are a regular drinker consider replacing beer/wine with spirits and "diet" mixer, e.g. Rum and diet coke of Gin and low cal Tonic.
 
Without wanting to pry too much, your username might suggest a fondness for the ale...

I have had conversations with friends discussing the need to "lose weight" and when you dig down they are drawn to dieting because they don't want to address the amount of useless calories they are consuming as wine/beer. Not saying that is the case with you but if you are a regular drinker consider replacing beer/wine with spirits and "diet" mixer, e.g. Rum and diet coke of Gin and low cal Tonic.
You've sussed me!
 
It's probably the most realistic/ down to earth/ honest advice you will probably get form a diet company, from any I've seen anyway. I watcha lot of their video's albeit not got any of their apps or made any payments to them. They seem to have a good community too. They (Team RH) can be brutal mind, and some can't take that, but I think that approach is better that telling someone they're doing well, when they really aren't.

There's lots of holes in all of the other diet schemes, either they're just scams (slimming world etc) or just going for short term results in an unhealthy way. I'm certain that a lot of them want to give good initial results, and then want you to fail, so you come back, again and again.

I've tried Atkins and Keto, effectively as a bet, but they were awful for training/ exercise, and seemed too strict to be sustainable long term. The good thing about calorie counting is it doesn't have to feel like a diet, and if you've got some control you can really have some give and take, and still progress well.
Team RH have done horrific reviews on Trustpilot 🤔
 
You also need to figure out how many calories you're burning in a "normal" day, something like an apple watch or activity tracker can help with this, but it's not an exact science. A typical guy might burn 2500 with a relatively active job (but no dedicated exercise), but the same guy might only burn 2000 calories if he's sat on his **** all day.

In simplish terms: Find your Base Metabolic Rate (there are sites you can do this on), multiply that by 1.2 or 1.3 depending on activity levels, then calculate a deficit of 1000 kcals a day for 2lb a week loss or 500 kcals for 1lb. You can be flexible through the week. The most important macro to watch is protein, make sure you get enough as this (along with exercise) helps maintain muscle.


According to my smart scale my resting metabolic rate is 1852Kcal. I do around 10,000 steps a day which burns around another 500 calories. I'm eating around 1500 calories a day on average.

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According to my smart scale my resting metabolic rate is 1852Kcal. I do around 10,000 steps a day which burns around another 500 calories. I'm eating around 1500 calories a day on average.

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Do you know how accurate those smart scales are? 1900 seems low for resting if you're 14st (albeit I work in kilos), if you're tall though then it's probably worth relying on that, maybe less so if you're short.

Initial thoughts though, are 1500 will put you in some deficit for a 14st guy, doing 10,000 steps, be careful you don't try and do too much/ too soon as you could end up falling off the wagon. Might not be the most healthy/ sustainable way to go? How long have you been doing that (strictly)? I would expect ~4kg lost over a month from that.

My apple watch has my resting energy at 2100, and I weigh 85kg/ 13.5st at 5'10", but I do a lot of varied sport so have a fair amount of muscle, under the fat, so should burn a bit more than most who have same BMI as me (BMI is crap though, don't use this, as it doesn't factor for muscle etc). About 5kg overweight at the minute, but I've eat like a pig all year, and not done much cardio, which I'm blaming on stress/ lack of time, but I lose loads of weight in summer, so will get that down to 80kg by end of August.

Not sure whether smart scale would be more accurate than an apple watch, it might be that yours is more right than mine, I'll look into this as I'm intrigued.

I think the apple watch allows for "movement" in the BMR calculation, but omits "activity", but I don't see how the smart scale can do that, unless it is possible to get an accurate BMR from body makeup (if it can measure those accurately). They're probably both flawed mind.

There's also BMR and RMR, which are quite similar, maybe best to use the lower one, if not getting results. Mine actually lists resting energy so may be using RMR, which is why it's higher. BMR should be lower than RMR apparently.

There's also a calculation for BMR = 88.362 + (13.397 x weight in kg) + (4.799 x height in cm) - (5.677 x age in years), but calculations like that are also flawed, as don't count for body makeup or average movement which wouldn't be classed as activity. Some scales use the calculation here, and are not using your metrics which they measure, so be careful.
 
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Do you know how accurate those smart scales are? 1900 seems low for resting if you're 14st (albeit I work in kilos), if you're tall though then it's probably worth relying on that, maybe less so if you're short.
I use the Renpho Smart Body Scale. Not sure how accurate they are but you have to use it on a solid surface like wood etc... and not carpet as using it on the likes of carpet absorbs some of your weight and will not make it accurate. I'm 6ft tall. You can use the scale with the Apple watch so would be interesting to see how they compared.

Renpho has a YouTube channel with lots of useful videos. https://www.youtube.com/c/RENPHODigital/featured

Initial thoughts though, are 1500 will put you in some deficit for a 14st guy, doing 10,000 steps, be careful you don't try and do too much/ too soon as you could end up falling off the wagon. Might not be the most healthy/ sustainable way to go? How long have you been doing that (strictly)? I would expect ~4kg lost over a month from that.
Keto, from what i have read is designed to lose weight quick but is not intended to be used long term. When i reach my goal i will then eat a balanced diet and maybe exercise more and have the odd treat. I have been on the Keto diet now for 3 and half weeks strict and lost 11 pounds (5kg).
 
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I use the Renpho Smart Body Scale. Not sure how accurate they are but you have to use it on a solid surface like wood etc... and not carpet as using it on the likes of carpet absorbs some of your weight and will not make it accurate. I'm 6ft tall. You can use the scale with the Apple watch so would be interesting to see how they compared.

Renpho has a YouTube channel with lots of useful videos. https://www.youtube.com/c/RENPHODigital/featured


Keto, from what i have read is designed to lose weight quick but is not intended to be used long term. When i reach my goal i will then eat a balanced diet and maybe exercise more and have the odd treat. I have been on the Keto diet now for 3 and half weeks strict and lost 11 pounds (5kg).
So you're doing Keto, and keeping calories to 1500?

Jees that must be rough, doing that and a 1000 plus deficit, but fair play to you. Do you feel alright/ healthy etc? If I push things too much my body goes to **** and I start getting signs my body is run down, and takes far longer to recover from anything.

Make sure you're hitting the right macros, and getting the right nutrients/ vitamins etc.

What are you eating on a typical day? Hopefully not the same thing every day etc?

Yes, keto will lose weight quick as you end up losing a load of water, but it may not reflect as well on the waist line/ health aspects, as it does on the scales, effectively can sometimes be like a false loss. You'll know mind, from your belt buckle/ measurements, if you're recording them?

Just be careful to not do too much too quick, or put your body through hell/ starvation of calories and nutrients, as you could end up unwell or going on a mad binge as you drive yourself crazy.
 
So you're doing Keto, and keeping calories to 1500?

Jees that must be rough, doing that and a 1000 plus deficit, but fair play to you. Do you feel alright/ healthy etc? If I push things too much my body goes to **** and I start getting signs my body is run down, and takes far longer to recover from anything.
Yeah I feel good mentally and physically, no idea what effect its having on the inside apart from the weight loss.

As well as the fat i try to keep my protein levels up so i stay full for longer but not overdo it. The only exercise i do is walking and some exercises at home like press-ups, sit-ups and some stretching exercises so nothing that will make me gasping for breath.


What are you eating on a typical day? Hopefully not the same thing every day etc?

I tend to eat beef, lamb, chicken, pork, eggs, salads, soups, cheese (feta, ricotta), salmon, avocado, green veg, mushrooms, onions, peppers etc...

If i still feel a bit peckish I'll snack on some walnuts, brazil nuts, low fructose berries, chocolate (85% cocoa), greek yoghurt

I try to eat something different each day.
 
Yeah I feel good mentally and physically, no idea what effect its having on the inside apart from the weight loss.

As well as the fat i try to keep my protein levels up so i stay full for longer but not overdo it. The only exercise i do is walking and some exercises at home like press-ups, sit-ups and some stretching exercises so nothing that will make me gasping for breath.

I tend to eat beef, lamb, chicken, pork, eggs, salads, soups, cheese (feta, ricotta), salmon, avocado, green veg, mushrooms, onions, peppers etc...

If i still feel a bit peckish I'll snack on some walnuts, brazil nuts, low fructose berries, chocolate (85% cocoa), greek yoghurt

I try to eat something different each day.
Sounds like you're doing it the right way/ well, keep it up (y)

I'd say don't be scared to have a day off, but much harder to do that on keto, than just calorie counting.

The Keto might not actually be doing much here mind, as you're already in a massive calorific deficit, if you're tracking correctly.
 
FWIW, I was somewhat inspired by the thread about Changes That Have Improved Your Life and overhauled my diet. I was bumbling along in a bit of a fug after my bypass op and eating far too much crap on a regular basis. I was trying to track using MFP and WW but I kept falling off the wagon big-style at weekends, having 3 bad days Friday to Sunday and putting back on all the weight I'd lost on the other days. Once I'd finished my cardiac rehab and was confident about exercising alone I kind of thought it was time to use this second chance I've been given and look after the ticker properly. I've basically pretty much cut out all the crap. No crisps, cakes, biscuits or the like...not even the supposedly healthy ones. No red or processed meats. Trying to eat whole foods with loads of fruit, veg and wholemeal/wholegrain carbs and keep the protein levels up. Not quite vegetarian, but eating more veggie stuff and fish/chicken.

I will allow myself a weekly "cheat" starchy carb meal and a cake or something and also a red/processed meat treat once a month so I don't go mad. I've been doing it a couple of weeks and feel my body shape changing and have lost a few pounds. Still tracking every morsel that passes my lips. Might sack off WW. It worked for me pre-pandemic when I lost 6 stone, and I like having the accountability, but I'm kind of confident I'm in a good zone now and motivated to keep it up. I'm sure there will be bumps along the way (holiday in Greece in September / Christmas) but I feel like I need to keep this as a permanent lifestyle change now to give myself the best chance of living the last third or more of my life in good fettle and not popping any more pills or paying visits to the hospital than I need to. God knows I've had my fair share of the NHS over my life...

I just hope I don't become too much of a health bore and judgemental about what others eat. While a lot of it is about personal responsibility, the availability and convenience of processed junk foods is shocking. It's all over the place, on TV and Social Media adverts, on shelves in every shop and petrol station...and you think of the burden of obesity and rising T2 diabetes... you see, there I go!
 
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