That's dangerously close to having an actual policy on something. Centrists don't do that kind of thing. Their genius strategy is to not have any policies at all so that The Tories can't steal them. Sensible, grown up politics.
You've gotta love centrists. Some people want asylum seekers mistreated, some other people want them treated with dignity and respect. What's the solution? Cruel mistreatment but only for half the asylum seekers, of course!
Keir Starmer - FoM now a red-line
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Billyzin
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Probably still practising her power stance.
I loved her in the debates. Her entire pitch was that she thought that good things were good and she thought that bad things were bad but that Jeremy Corbyn was Satan and he'd eat your children if you didn't vote for her party. She was comedy gold. And then she lost her seat and that made it even funnier.
HolgateCorner
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Typical attempt at undermining from ‘lifelong Labour voter’ exiledinboro.
It’s because there has been no Rishi bounce to talk about.
Andy_W
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Policies don't mean anything when you're not in power, they're not policies, they're pipe dreams for the future if you're not going to win enough seats. Same as we found out with Brown, Milliband and Cobyn twice. The last person to have a manifesto and some policies before being elected (over the current party in charge), which he got to implement was Blair, but that was ~25 years ago.
There's zero point in drawing a firm line in the sand on some of the major topics, when you can draw a more informed and thorough line in 1.5 years time, that will be the time to judge. Sure, you can comment on these topics, but a lot of them you can move around to suit the current situation, no problem with that. One of the only firm lines labour have to draw (unfortunately) is that they won't rejoin the EU or have a second referendum, as this could end up in a loss, and even more Tory carnage.
Policies will be in the manifesto, and then when he wins he'll likely enact the vast majority of them. I don't expect him to enact them all, like I wouldn't expect anyone else to. I won't agree with them all either, and I'll flag those up if they're major, if they're minor then I won't be fussed either way. My bet is I'll be happy with ~70-90% of it, like I was with JC, Miliband and Blair's. This will be better than the 10-30% or so Tory policies I expect to think are ok (from Sunak anyway).
Of course, there will be some changes to what is carried out v what is in the manifesto, as the world will change, just like it always has. The number of changes should be expected to be proportional to how much the world/ current situation changes.
I'm centre left, as far as the makeup of UK voters goes. I just want a fair balance for most, which also supports those who need it most. You might see that as no policies (it's not), but even It it wasn't, it's a better policy than promising the world and losing to an absolute bunch of cretins who will make things far worse for those who need the most help.
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HolgateCorner
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I think reform of the Lords which is seen as a ‘not what you know but who you know’ club and removing support for private schools will be very popular amongst the aspirational working class who come up against the educational glass ceiling throughout their working careers.
It‘s good stuff from Labour because it strikes at the heart of hidden Tory values
HolgateCorner
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Agree, I regard myself as fairly left wing but you have to be practical when attracting votes.
Wrong, I’ve just commented on something else you posted trying to undermine Labour policy.
HolgateCorner
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Nothing personal because I don’t know you from Adam but I will keep calling you out if you comment on a Labour thread and I disagree with you.Holgate you’re not worth bothering with
I mentioned Labour policy. What an absolute rarity
HolgateCorner
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I’m a bit old these days to get bothered about all that stuff you‘ve just posted but I will get back to you if I think any of your political comments are worth a responseSo don’t mention labour policy on a discussion about labour policy
And what did I say I didn’t think constitutional reform was that big of a deal for the electorate during a cost of living crisis
And you’re calling me out for that
It really is a cult
Maybe you could for once actually discuss policies rather than ranting all the time. But then I’ve realised most of you have no idea what Labour stand for and just make it up most the time
I mean how insane would that be to mention what Starmer is saying today or yesterday?
HolgateCorner
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I’m sorry you feel like that.
I voted twice for Corbyn, I did all I could at the polling booth to help him win.
As with Callaghan, Foot, Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Milliband and, next, Starmer.
Labour is for life, not just for the individual leader.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Labour can change. For me, socialism is for life.
HolgateCorner
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Yes would agree with that, I was meaning that Labour have presented the best chance of a socialist leaning government in my lifetime.
BoroFur
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Comments like that stifle debate and discussion on this board.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Unravel_Morrison
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Posted without irony the day after Abtisam Mohammed is parachuted into Sheffield Central from Sheffield.I thought Owen Jones’ interview with Michael Crick, from Monday was interesting. Basically repeating everything posted on here
That journalists are now looking at Labour and how they are clearly purging people on the left. They say why it is worrying because it is potentially illegal. It’s having the affect that Labour is now selecting mostly white middle class individuals for roles at the expense of minority groups. Parachuting in candidates to Northern seats
MolteniArcore
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That's interesting. The last few candidates I have seen selected weren't white - the most high profile recently was Abtisam Mohamed who beat Eddie Izzard. I would like to see some evidence of that - not that I don't believe you but it is a strong statement to make without evidence.
Give over. Starmer's recent announcement on the decentralisation of power from Westminster to the regions is the exact opposite.
I'm not sure what the problem is here. People move parties, people change their opinions. I wish the Greens had more support, from all sides, not just left. It just sounds like 'lefties' feeling sorry for themselves that the party has moved from the left to centre left and they don't like it. Fair play, move on.
He might believe that but the polls would contradict him. Many think the opposite - that Labour will smash the next election and the Tories could be down to less than 100 seats. The Libs aren't gaining support in the polls either, not sure where this big number of MP's to make up a coalition is coming from. Labour won't need them.
Shame you didn't post the link. Nice little insult to people who have a different opinion to you about stuff too. Akin to "they don't agree with me so they must be stupid".
You have previously shown how arrogant you are so there are no surprises that you can't resist a condescending dig here.
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I think reform of the Lords which is seen as a ‘not what you know but who you know’ club and removing support for private schools will be very popular amongst the aspirational working class who come up against the educational glass ceiling throughout their working careers.
It‘s good stuff from Labour because it strikes at the heart of hidden Tory values
Half agree!
It's definitely not a bad thing. I do think it'll probably take an extremely long time for HoL reform to make much of a difference to anything. As in decades. But sure, why not?
As I said yesterday, the bigger problem is when the party has a leader with such form for dropping pledges. Everything they say afterwards suffers for it. Starmer's a bit like Clegg after he folded on tuition fees as quickly as he did.
Molteni you were defending Starmer supporting electronic tags for "some" asylum seekers only yesterday! His background is he's the DPP who ran all-night courts to lock up teenagers for things like stealing a bottle of water during the London riots. One of the first things he did as Labour leader was to support the tories spy cops bill through parliament. Of course he has an authoritarian streak. Who could deny that?
viv_andersons_nana
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@MolteniArcore - “Give over. Starmer's recent announcement on the decentralisation of power from Westminster to the regions is the exact opposite.”
This is the main thrust of my point though. Why should or would we believe anything Starmer says? He’s announced or made statements about a range of stuff in the past and then gone back on it whenever it’s convenient for him.
I can’t see where people are pulling this faith in him from because he’s shown himself to tell lies and break pledges consistently. His behaviour further erodes trust in politicians IMO.
This is the main thrust of my point though. Why should or would we believe anything Starmer says? He’s announced or made statements about a range of stuff in the past and then gone back on it whenever it’s convenient for him.
I can’t see where people are pulling this faith in him from because he’s shown himself to tell lies and break pledges consistently. His behaviour further erodes trust in politicians IMO.