Keir Starmer concedes Labour has lost the trust of working people

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Labour’s Khalid Mahmood says party has become ‘London-centric’

MP believes Labour is now too focused on issues which are irrelevant to working-class people around the country

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This guy gets it... It's weird it's almost like I've been saying these things for ages and the smart kids on here tell me it's just Corbyns', Brexit, Vaccines fault.

It's not. You need to understand that whilst a portion of voters are stupid, xenophobic, racists this does not make up the majority of voters leaving labour.

Remember when Starmer took the knee and Raab said he'd only bend the knee for his wife and the queen. At the time it looked terrible the culture warriors jumped on it but away from the twitterati and the BBC which of those two acts plays better with the general public?

 

[HundredRoom]

You are literally describing the Prime Minister here. Starmer only entered parliament in 2015 and was Director of Public Prosecutions before then.

And for how you described Starmer re: Corbyn see how Johnson did for May.

There are plenty of things to criticise, but this is just lazy, rote nonsense.

I got no time for any of em. I agree applies across the board.

 

[LaPennaBianca]

I got no time for any of em. I agree applies across the board.

Fair enough.

 

[HundredRoom]

Right wing people feel intimidated by intelligent people, because the can’t win the argument (even if they think they are in their head).

What ?

Well yes you can get intimidated by the lefty mob on here. Not many people call them out.
but calling the intelligent is a bit of a stretch.
So by that logic I must be left wing , think that other s are thick but I always win the argument.
Oh well whatever you say

 

[HundredRoom]

I think they turn a blind eye simply because he "got brexit done" and it was labour who were blocking the will of the people.
I think its as simple as that

You're making me nervous Ive agreed with you too many times today already

 

[Buddy]

This is interesting: Jonn Elledge

How did towns like Hartlepool end up older than the UK average? Basically, because there aren’t any graduate jobs there. Every autumn, a significant chunk of 18 year olds leave red wall towns to go to university, most of them never to return. Instead, they end up in London and Bristol and Manchester and Cambridge and Brighton because that’s where the jobs are.

All these destinations, you note, are places where Labour and the broader left do pretty well – have, indeed, consolidated their position over the past few years. The problem is, this process is unbalanced: there are fewer seats attracting younger people and turning left than there are losing them and turning right. First Past The Post managed to turn a slight popular majority for Brexit into an overwhelming parliamentary majority for it. Now it’s doing the same for the Tories, too.

 

[jam69]

You're making me nervous Ive agreed with you too many times today already

There's more that unites us hundred, and that's not just a shared lifetime of disappointment following the boro

 

[ForssAwakens]

What ?

Well yes you can get intimidated by the lefty mob on here. Not many people call them out.
but calling the intelligent is a bit of a stretch.
So by that logic I must be left wing , think that other s are thick but I always win the argument.
Oh well whatever you say

I should have said far right

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

We had people saying they couldn't vote for a party led by corbyn, they were only voting tory because of him.
But they are continuing to vote Tory. The problem labour have is they can't get a message to the voters , when they propose good polices the MSM find something irrelevant to negatively focus on and convince the voters labour are a liability.
In 2019 labour's manifesto was fully costed, the only one of any party.
Labour have always had a uphill battle because they are against the interests of the powerful, and they have the power to make sure the status quo remains.
I knocked on doors for corbyn but brexit and the MSM put paid to him.
Iam no fan of starmer and voted against him in the leadership race but he's earned the right to stand in a election as corbyn did.
I just can't contemplate another decade of toryism and just pray he's playing the long game.
It's a century old problem though getting the working classes to vote for a party which will benefit then rather than rule them with fear and division

I agree the media will always distort or twist what a Labour leader says but Starmer has to show conviction. You can't hide behind what the media are doing. Corbyn was absolutely crucified in the press but had a set of policies, toured the country, built a campaign, explained what he wanted to do. He had McDonnell alongside him doing the same. They didn't hide away. You may not have agreed with them - I did, I was/am a massive supporter of Corbyn's leadership and what he wanted to do - but they never shied away from talking about their plans and where the government was going wrong. They opposed what needed to be opposed and spoke up for what they believed in. I hate the Tories and Boris Johnson and the rest of them but they have a message and they drill it home. We know that the press/media help them out with it, with their client journalism and what have you, but the point is that they have something to say and present something for people to vote for. They present something to get behind.

Starmer has not done this. He is clearly a clever, intelligent man with an impressive career history but he isn't presenting anything to anyone. I don't know his views on jobs, housing, schools, social care, tax avoidance... nothing. Yes a large part of the media will hammer him regardless of what he says but you can't hide behind that. You have to offer something. You have to inspire people.

 

[Redwurzel]

Starmer has suffered a bit from past decisions by the Labour Party - in the Blair years they did not balance up the UK economy, the schools and hospitals improved, but the real jobs moved away from what are now called the left behind areas of the UK. So people felt neglected in those areas, some turned to the Nationalist parties (SNP, Plaed Cymbu, UKIP). I felt The Labour Party became more English Metropolitan based after Brown left. Then after 2016, most Labour Party MPs seemed to hope they could overturn the EU referendum result. They should have accepted the result and voted for a Exit with a deal, just as SNP accepted their referendum loss. This lays the foundation for a lack of trust, policies are not much good without trust. The feeling of they think like me or they want to look after me was lost to some extent in towns like Hartlepool.

The 1945 Labour Party said it would eradicate regional unemployment, build council houses, start a free health service, create decent schools for all to improve life chances of working class kids. No more Jarrow Marches, no more neglected areas of the UK - over 50% of the population said yes particularly in the North East. There was trust that your local Labour MP felt like you and looked after you. They may have gone to a grammar school and done well and lost their accent, but they still lived on your street OK at the posh end (think Harold Wilson). The 1945 Party overcame a popular war time leader, because the party said I am going to make your life better by not returning to the 1930s. Today people in Hartlepool have a health service, education has improved from the 1930s, but the spectre of poor employment prospects and low paid work is still there. People have to get in van on a sunday night/crack of dawn on a Monday and travel down the A19/A1 to get work.