Karanka

been following the Boro since 1970 and the Premier season with Karanka was the most disapointing ever, recritment and tactics playing for a 0-0 and hoping to sneak a goal in the last 10 when the other side are pressing..... if he ever came back ( which I dont think Gibbo will ever consider it) I hope he has learned.... not been too clever at clubs since...
 
You know when people moan about "just getting over the line" or "scrambling promotion" that they have an agenda against him and a personal dislike. Since when was finishing second something to moan about? Ridiculous.

Does Robson get the same criticism for 97/98? We needed to win on the last day, had a big wobble half through the season, arguably the best player, if not the best squad in the league and he signed 3 new strikers in the transfer window to get us up (so much like Rhodes and Ramirez then?). Yet I don't remember anyone ever trying to take anything away from the achievement that season.

That said I do think the pressure got to Karanka in the premier league, he wasn't the same manager. So I'm far from sure he would've taken us back up. He's an intensive personality and I think he burnt out (and maybe the players did to a point with his management style).

Just don't understand why people are so desperate to diminish his achievements in the championship. Almost as if they wish he hadn't got us up so they could be proved right. I'm pretty sure these people will have been moaning about him while he was here too.

Best two seasons in well over a decade. "Yeah but we only "just" got promoted didn't we? Plus my wallets too small for my £50 notes and my diamond shoes are too tight".
 
I’d add in if Mowbray has the money karnaka had we would have gone up as champions and we would have been in the top flight for a decade.
 
festa5 said:
You know when people moan about "just getting over the line" or "scrambling promotion" that they have an agenda against him and a personal dislike. Since when was finishing second something to moan about? Ridiculous.

Does Robson get the same criticism for 97/98? We needed to win on the last day, had a big wobble half through the season, arguably the best player, if not the best squad in the league and he signed 3 new strikers in the transfer window to get us up (so much like Rhodes and Ramirez then?). Yet I don't remember anyone ever trying to take anything away from the achievement that season.

That said I do think the pressure got to Karanka in the premier league, he wasn't the same manager. So I'm far from sure he would've taken us back up. He's an intensive personality and I think he burnt out (and maybe the players did to a point with his management style).

Just don't understand why people are so desperate to diminish his achievements in the championship. Almost as if they wish he hadn't got us up so they could be proved right. I'm pretty sure these people will have been moaning about him while he was here too.

Best two seasons in well over a decade. "Yeah but we only "just" got promoted didn't we? Plus my wallets too small for my £50 notes and my diamond shoes are too tight".
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I don't think people are desperate to diminish his achievements at all. By the same token, I don't understand why some folk feel the need to so desperately defend the bloke (like you are here). "Ridiculous". Surely getting four draws in the last four games and going up on goal difference is pretty much 'just getting over the line'? It's not a criticism. It just seems like a fact. [Obviously promotion is promotion, but surely you can see a difference between winning the league by ten points, and going up on goal difference]?

I have nothing against Karanka. Many of the people who you perceive to have "an agenda against him and a personal dislike" probably don't either.

Personally I can't understand the ongoing fixation with the guy.
 
Cuthbert said:
I don't think people are desperate to diminish his achievements at all. By the same token, I don't understand why some folk feel the need to so desperately defend the bloke (like you are here). "Ridiculous". Surely getting four draws in the last four games and going up on goal difference is pretty much 'just getting over the line'? It's not a criticism. It just seems like a fact. [Obviously promotion is promotion, but surely you can see a difference between winning the league by ten points, and going up on goal difference]?

I have nothing against Karanka. Many of the people who you perceive to have "an agenda against him and a personal dislike" probably don't either.

Personally I can't understand the ongoing fixation with the guy.
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saying he burnt out is desperately defending him is it? If you say so.

I also at no point said we didn't just get over the line. That wasnt my argument at all. Maybe learn to read and comprehend what is actually written before replying eh?
 
festa5 said:
saying he burnt out is desperately defending him is it? If you say so.

I also at no point said we didn't just get over the line. That wasnt my argument at all. Maybe learn to read and comprehend what is actually written before replying eh?
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Calm down mate. I used the expression "desperately defending" because you used the expression "desperate to diminish" - somewhat emotive language.

Your opening paragraph : " You know when people moan about "just getting over the line" or "scrambling promotion" that they have an agenda against him and a personal dislike. Since when was finishing second something to moan about? Ridiculous."

I does rather imply that you don't agree that with them!

Anyway, if you're going to over react so, there's no point in discussing it. I'm not sufficiently interested in Karanka either way.

Have a good day.
 
Cuthbert said:
Calm down mate. I used the expression "desperately defending" because you used the expression "desperate to diminish" - somewhat emotive language.

Your opening paragraph : " You know when people moan about "just getting over the line" or "scrambling promotion" that they have an agenda against him and a personal dislike. Since when was finishing second something to moan about? Ridiculous."

I does rather imply that you don't agree that with them!

Anyway, if you're going to over react so, there's no point in discussing it. I'm not sufficiently interested in Karanka either way.

Have a good day.
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The fact you still seem to be completely missing the point suggests that yes, it would be a waste of time discussing it further.

although you've written a lot for someone who doesn't care.
 
Cuthbert said:
I don't think people are desperate to diminish his achievements at all. By the same token, I don't understand why some folk feel the need to so desperately defend the bloke (like you are here). "Ridiculous". Surely getting four draws in the last four games and going up on goal difference is pretty much 'just getting over the line'? It's not a criticism. It just seems like a fact. [Obviously promotion is promotion, but surely you can see a difference between winning the league by ten points, and going up on goal difference]?

I have nothing against Karanka. Many of the people who you perceive to have "an agenda against him and a personal dislike" probably don't either.

Personally I can't understand the ongoing fixation with the guy.
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Getting promoted is getting promoted.
 
festa5 said:
You know when people moan about "just getting over the line" or "scrambling promotion" that they have an agenda against him and a personal dislike. Since when was finishing second something to moan about? Ridiculous.

Does Robson get the same criticism for 97/98? We needed to win on the last day, had a big wobble half through the season, arguably the best player, if not the best squad in the league and he signed 3 new strikers in the transfer window to get us up (so much like Rhodes and Ramirez then?). Yet I don't remember anyone ever trying to take anything away from the achievement that season.

That said I do think the pressure got to Karanka in the premier league, he wasn't the same manager. So I'm far from sure he would've taken us back up. He's an intensive personality and I think he burnt out (and maybe the players did to a point with his management style).

Just don't understand why people are so desperate to diminish his achievements in the championship. Almost as if they wish he hadn't got us up so they could be proved right. I'm pretty sure these people will have been moaning about him while he was here too.

Best two seasons in well over a decade. "Yeah but we only "just" got promoted didn't we? Plus my wallets too small for my £50 notes and my diamond shoes are too tight".
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Robson had already gotten us promoted as champions, given us a 12th place finish, a very exciting season in the premier league despite relegation & two cup finals so earned himself a bit of slack, Robbo also didn't walk out right before a crucial game which we lost, nor slate the fans for asking for a change in tactics like he did after the Blackburn game? In fact had it not been for the fax machine incident we wouldn't have been relegated & upon getting back in we had some mid table finishes. I don't think anyone would have expected karanka to get a mid table premier league finish with squad and tactics at play. He was the epitome of no plan B. Losing 1-0? Better swap a defender or a defensive midfielder like for like on 86 mins.

i didn't try to take anything away from that season, nor do I have an agenda against him, not even sure what a fans agenda could be against a former manager? Surely you either like a a manager or you don't? but I'm not in the game of being an Internet psychologist so 🤷🏻‍♂️

Last day of the season, on goal difference, drawing against 10 men, with players like Ramirez, downing, Rhodes, stuani, you would expect a setup to get goals from players like that. Great that we did go up, but we didn't smash our way there and the signs were already there of immediate relegation, which duly happened.

It's not even as if It was just at boro that there was a divide between the players, fans and the manager, stories like these have followed him from club to club, he tried to hard to be Mourinho. People can Pooh Pooh Birmingham and forest as basket case clubs all they like but he knew that taking on the job and it sounds like he was exactly how he was at Middlesbrough and I don't think we are a basket case club.

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Aitor Karanka and Middlesbrough problems: What is going on?

After a weekend of turmoil on Teesside, we look to explain what has happened with Aitor Karanka and Middlesbrough, and what will happen next.
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'Players don't respect him' - Plenty of Birmingham City fans dissect Karanka 'shambles' after Blackburn Rovers defeat

Birmingham City lost 2-0 at home to Blackburn Rovers in the Championship today.
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Aitor Karanka exited Birmingham this weekend after a 3-0 home defeat to Bristol City which has left the Blues just three points above the Championship relegation zone
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Some angry Nottingham Forest fans respond to Aitor Karanka's latest comments

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Karanka clinging to Nottingham Forest job after player fall-out

LAURIE WHITWELL: Forest’s ambitious owner Evangelos Marinakis is aiming for the Premier League and is seriously considering sacking Karanka after a run of four games without victory.
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there were some great times under karanka but I absolutely would not want him back here, just like I wouldn't want Robbo or Maclaren back here despite past good times, Warnock has a history of promotions but I wouldn't want him back here, and pulis is very experienced and I wouldn't want him back here either. Nothing to do with "agendas".
 
zorro_mfc said:
There wasn’t even any club loyalty involved he has nothing to do with us yet bizarrely we sacrificed our prem future on him.
I’ll never understand that one.
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Not entirely true, he'd been here years on and off in various coaching capacities
 
Mowbray did well with the money he had. But his team was plummeting towards relegation. Karanka turned the same team around and within a couple of months had us in top of the table form.
 
I was at the match where we got promoted. What a night my wife and I had. We were in the hotel opposite the town hall square. So had a party night in town.

It is tinged with sadness as we were over visiting my brother who had cancer. Sadly he died before we got relegated.
 
I always felt it was Adomah being sold that was the biggest problem. If he’d stayed we’d have been a different proposition. We were so one dimensional with him gone.

If Adomah had stayed, as well as having a decent right hand side, Stuani could have played up front occasionally with Negredo. And with less reliance on a number 10 midfielder, De Roon could have played in his proper position. So we could have cashed in on Gaston when he started twisting and it wouldn’t have been abig a deal.

Adomah was right at the heart of that promotion side, he was absolutely fantastic and we never replaced him.

It was great to be a boro fan in those promotion years. The songs! everyone was on a massive collective up, there was a great togetherness at the grounds.
 
Markburke said:
I always felt it was Adomah being sold that was the biggest problem. If he’d stayed we’d have been a different proposition. We were so one dimensional with him gone.

If Adomah had stayed, as well as having a decent right hand side, Stuani could have played up front occasionally with Negredo. And with less reliance on a number 10 midfielder, De Roon could have played in his proper position. So we could have cashed in on Gaston when he started twisting and it wouldn’t have been abig a deal.

Adomah was right at the heart of that promotion side, he was absolutely fantastic and we never replaced him.

It was great to be a boro fan in those promotion years. The songs! everyone was on a massive collective up, there was a great togetherness at the grounds.
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We replaced him with Traore.
 
Karanka is single minded, his way or the highway, no buts... Alpha males do not respond to this type of management, followers do and feel comfort in the all embracing power from the leader.... A good man manager can switch between autocratic and democratic styles... Karanka struggles with this and falls out with Alpha males who question his leadership .... this is true not a theory, from a guy who was around the club as a young player at the time of the promotion and premier seasons. Loved the bloke during the promotion... lost faith when we were chasing a 0-0 result and hoping to grab a winner in the last 10 mins in the premier .... Mogga is the man for me, dealt a shiit hand first time
 
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