Just been watching BJ lying under oath.

Laughing said:
I don't think the decision had to be either/or. Why not use nightingale hospitals as temporary accommodation, as an example of an alternative.

Volunteers from younger families could have cared for elderly patients until they tested all clear. They could have been paid to offset furlough.
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IIRC from the bits & pieces I've seen reported the decision to free up beds & return people to care homes without being tested was made in mid-March and rescinded in mid-April 2020. From the trusts/hospitals that have been interviewed they'd started testing & isolating patients before returning them to homes from early-April despite govt advice. Nightingale hospitals didn't open until April & the 1st patients were accepted in mid-April.
And of course care homes were not sterile environments, although visits were stopped in mid-March, staff were still having to work & live without proper or sufficient PPE, and there wasn't enough tests available to test all care home residents or staff.

The Govt wasted the headstart we had over Italy, allowed 'super spreader events' to happen, didn't plan properly, realised it had failed to act in time and then panicked in mid-March.

That is what we should be drilling down into, why we delayed and backed ourselves into a corner, not that someone said Johnson said something that sounds inappropriate.
 
Laughing said:
He is directly responsible for 10's of thousands of deaths. You might want to save your sympathy for those whose lives were cut short.
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To be blunt, isn’t that essentially what this enquiry is supposed to be trying to establish? What actions were taken, what were their consequences, what alternative courses of action might have been taken, what would their consequences probably have been, how much of that was foreseeable, what should we do next time? These are the questions that any enquiry should be answering.

I don’t need to spend millions of pounds determining whether the Boris Johnson is a lying ****. I think that question was answered long ago. it’s amusing to see him squirm, but it’s totally off the point of what the enquiry should be doing.
 
newusername said:
The Govt wasted the headstart we had over Italy, allowed 'super spreader events' to happen, didn't plan properly, realised it had failed to act in time and then panicked in mid-March.

That is what we should be drilling down into, why we delayed and backed ourselves into a corne
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set up to examine ‘the UK’s response to and impact of the Covid-19 pandemic.’ It is being held under the terms of the Inquiries Act 2005.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

The Covid-19 Inquiry | Institute for Government

What is the Covid-19 inquiry? What powers does it have? What is its purpose and scope?
www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk
 
newusername said:
It is a tough decision, if they'd left well old people in hospital 'blocking beds' and there was no room for the critically ill who were dying in hospital car parks, we'd be having an inquiry questioning that decision.

They got it wrong & people died, the inquiry is to find out the reasons why and learn the lessons so it doesn't happen again.


I did say "meetings". It does appear as though he was spectacularly unsuited to the level of detail, analysis and clear thinking required to pick our way through Covid in the best possible way. That’s our political system though, we don’t pick our leader and even if we did, we don’t know what crisis they are going to be dealing with or how they’ll cope.
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Mate, I wouldn't have him chair the meeting of a local parish council, never mind be the Prime Minister of the UK
 
I can't really take anyone seriously if they're trying to defend him or suggest mitigation.

Like Trump, he is just a bad person, totally bothered by his own interests.
 
The Disciple said:
I think it would be more surprising if a politician was caught telling the truth - professional liars all of them
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It's a tired cliché.

Although true to say they probably all don't give straight answers from time to time (nature of the beast) there's a world of difference between towing the party line or not wanting to fall into a journalists elephant trap, and standing in front of the country and parliament and claiming black is white, every single F***ing day you're in office.

To claim otherwise is either intentionally disingenuous or naive in the extreme.

Says a lot about Johnson that, that's pretty much the his only defence now. "It's OK, everyone lies".
 
FishofContemplation said:
To be blunt, isn’t that essentially what this enquiry is supposed to be trying to establish? What actions were taken, what were their consequences, what alternative courses of action might have been taken, what would their consequences probably have been, how much of that was foreseeable, what should we do next time? These are the questions that any enquiry should be answering.

I don’t need to spend millions of pounds determining whether the Boris Johnson is a lying ****. I think that question was answered long ago. it’s amusing to see him squirm, but it’s totally off the point of what the enquiry should be doing.
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I agree. It seems to be getting bogged down in a procession of people trying to pass the blame onto other people (some more palatable than others). The aim is supposed to identify how we might be better prepared and respond better next time, so far the only answer forthcoming seems to be 'don't elect narcissistic idiots'.
 
UgoAfro said:
so far the only answer forthcoming seems to be 'don't elect narcissistic idiots'.
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For those of us who realised this it at the time, this inquiry must be the biggest "I told you so" in history.

Not that there's any satisfaction in that given we've still had to suffer the conssquences 😠
 
TeessideCleveland said:
Wonder if Grimsby would do any better..

www.theguardian.com

‘Serious disrepute’: Grimsby Town fans react after Boris Johnson wears club’s hat

Petition started after ex-PM wore GTFC bobble hat to Covid inquiry, exposure town’s residents say club can do without
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Wheatley said Grimsby Town was a 140-year-old club which was “rooted in the community … and to be associated with that bumbling liar is not something we would want for our community, our town or our club”.
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Yes, and your community voted 71.4% for Brexit and 62% for Brexit candidates at the last election so you've got what you asked for.
 
Sunak on his way out and it's no secret Boris is lining up for a comeback.
And they're daft enough to vote him back as leader if it goes that far.
Bring it on, all good news for Labour. 🌹
 
newusername said:
IIRC from the bits & pieces I've seen reported the decision to free up beds & return people to care homes without being tested was made in mid-March and rescinded in mid-April 2020. From the trusts/hospitals that have been interviewed they'd started testing & isolating patients before returning them to homes from early-April despite govt advice. Nightingale hospitals didn't open until April & the 1st patients were accepted in mid-April.
And of course care homes were not sterile environments, although visits were stopped in mid-March, staff were still having to work & live without proper or sufficient PPE, and there wasn't enough tests available to test all care home residents or staff.

The Govt wasted the headstart we had over Italy, allowed 'super spreader events' to happen, didn't plan properly, realised it had failed to act in time and then panicked in mid-March.

That is what we should be drilling down into, why we delayed and backed ourselves into a corner, not that someone said Johnson said something that sounds inappropriate.
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It doesn't really matter when the nightingale hospitals were ready, it was one solution that stopped sending covid positive patients back to care homes to kill folks. It didn't need to be a workable idea, just demonstrates that there were options, that didn't include, abandoning carehomes and our most vulnerable.

The rest of your post, I largely agree with.
 
newusername said:
IIRC from the bits & pieces I've seen reported the decision to free up beds & return people to care homes without being tested was made in mid-March and rescinded in mid-April 2020. From the trusts/hospitals that have been interviewed they'd started testing & isolating patients before returning them to homes from early-April despite govt advice. Nightingale hospitals didn't open until April & the 1st patients were accepted in mid-April.
And of course care homes were not sterile environments, although visits were stopped in mid-March, staff were still having to work & live without proper or sufficient PPE, and there wasn't enough tests available to test all care home residents or staff.

The Govt wasted the headstart we had over Italy, allowed 'super spreader events' to happen, didn't plan properly, realised it had failed to act in time and then panicked in mid-March.

That is what we should be drilling down into, why we delayed and backed ourselves into a corner, not that someone said Johnson said something that sounds inappropriate.
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Wasn’t the decision to send patients back to care homes taken by Hancock? A man, if possible, who is even more culpable and loathsome than Boris.
 
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