Jonathan-Woodgate

Mwelolo said:
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You are far from being the only one.

Plenty of people on here lapped up that press conference, I was very surprised.
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He literally just said what everyone on this board wanted him to say. He made it look easy, until the season actually started.
 
gravy173 said:
Gibson has made bigger managerial mistakes, appointing Southgate when we were riding on the back of the europa cup wave and entrusting Steve Agnew to keep us up were much bigger IMHO when you consider what it cost us.

As with Woodgate I can’t remember many fans on here or at the match who agreed with any of them at the time either.
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As much as I agree appointing Southgate was naive, it was nowhere near the mistake appointing Woodgate was imho. Southgate kept us up for 2 years and did ok, people forget that. Poor recruitment, buying cheap and selling the better players was the issue, people can’t lump it all on Southgates shoulders. In truth We overspent under McClaren on wages etc and had little return on some players. Blaming Southgate for the relegation 3 seasons in when he is trying to cope with terrible recruitment and coach inferior players is unfair imho. I appreciate most fans think it is the managers fault on the pitch, but sometimes managers have their hands tied. Woody tbf did too. Southgate did far better as a coach than Woody albeit with different players. Appointing Agnew was stupid, sacking Karanka was arguably dafter when he did it.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Probably because no ****** from Spain wants to interview him. He was voted one of real Madrid's worst ever players. The gazzettes not going to send a reporter to Korea to interview Lee dong gook are they?
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Oh I don’t know, Warnock might be happy to pay the airfare to send Craig Johns to North Korea 😉
 
coluka said:
As much as I agree appointing Southgate was naive, it was nowhere near the mistake appointing Woodgate was imho. Southgate kept us up for 2 years and did ok, people forget that. Poor recruitment, buying cheap and selling the better players was the issue, people can’t lump it all on Southgates shoulders. In truth We overspent under McClaren on wages etc and had little return on some players. Blaming Southgate for the relegation 3 seasons in when he is trying to cope with terrible recruitment and coach inferior players is unfair imho. I appreciate most fans think it is the managers fault on the pitch, but sometimes managers have their hands tied. Woody tbf did too. Southgate did far better as a coach than Woody albeit with different players. Appointing Agnew was stupid, sacking Karanka was arguably dafter when he did it.
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the point I’m making is that we could have had our pick of experienced managers after smac left and Gibson went for a yes man with his little Englander approach (Tees on Rhine).

We were in a position to kick on and establish ourselves after making the final and yet we frittered it all away on trying to become arsenal light signing their youth rejects for decent fees rather than less glamourise proven players in the prem.
 
gravy173 said:
the point I’m making is that we could have had our pick of experienced managers after smac left and Gibson went for a yes man with his little Englander approach (Tees on Rhine).

We were in a position to kick on and establish ourselves after making the final and yet we frittered it all away on trying to become arsenal light signing their youth rejects for decent fees rather than less glamourise proven players in the prem.
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I totally see your point of view there. I thought the same at that time too. I think the truth is probably that we could not afford to build on it. I think the money spent under McClaren and the Euro dream proved costly and unsustainable. We tried to wheel and deal and we replaced proven top class talent with lesser, cheaper hopefuls that backfired. Appointing Southgate, in hindsight, sent a signal as did recruitment. I would not swap those adventurous days and games under Smac for anything, but we were seemingly spending above our comfort zones it seems to me now and it had to be reined in I guess.
 
gravy173 said:
the point I’m making is that we could have had our pick of experienced managers after smac left and Gibson went for a yes man with his little Englander approach (Tees on Rhine).

We were in a position to kick on and establish ourselves after making the final and yet we frittered it all away on trying to become arsenal light signing their youth rejects for decent fees rather than less glamourise proven players in the prem.
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Let's face it all three appointments were baffling and nobody else but Gibson or Boro would have entertained any of them.

Southgate - We were an established top half Premier Side and we give the job to the club captain who hasn't even got his coaching badges

Agnew - We are in a relegation battle and appoint the coach who has put us there with little or no managerial experience.

Woodgate - The 'outstanding candidate' - I dread to think who the other candidates were!
 
Otto42 said:
Let's face it all three appointments were baffling and nobody else but Gibson or Boro would have entertained any of them.

Southgate - We were an established top half Premier Side and we give the job to the club captain who hasn't even got his coaching badges

Agnew - We are in a relegation battle and appoint the coach who has put us there with little or no managerial experience.

Woodgate - The 'outstanding candidate' - I dread to think who the other candidates were!
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The cheap and easy option each time,
 
Otto42 said:
Let's face it all three appointments were baffling and nobody else but Gibson or Boro would have entertained any of them.

Southgate - We were an established top half Premier Side and we give the job to the club captain who hasn't even got his coaching badges

Agnew - We are in a relegation battle and appoint the coach who has put us there with little or no managerial experience.

Woodgate - The 'outstanding candidate' - I dread to think who the other candidates were!
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I think we were in a similar situation as with the Woodgate appointment. The European jaunt wasn’t as profitable as we may have hoped. We needed to TIGHTEN our finances in the best way we saw fit. Unfortunately poor recruitment made us severely unbalanced. Dreadful decisions were made and sealed our fate until the appointment of Mowbray.
 
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