Jon Venables

Guys, just be careful what you post about Venables.

Comments you post may seem harmless but unbelievably there are laws protecting him

Not saying anyone has posted anything
 
I have always wondered what the home life must have been like for Venables and Thompson to turn them into killers at the age of 10 years of age.

Prior to retiring, I worked in a behaviour unit with 11 - 16 year olds and would openly state that we worked with the wrong people. We could put all kinds of strategies in place for the students and would see huge changes in their behaviour through the school term. After the half term or weekend, we would be back to square one.

There is a person-centred counselling book by Mearns and Thorn and every parent should be made to read it.

Really interesting Norman. Can you expand a little?

Are you saying that you had really good results that were then negatively impacted when they went home for a short time?

Be interested to hear more. Thanks for the book recommendation
 
I have always wondered what the home life must have been like for Venables and Thompson to turn them into killers at the age of 10 years of age.

Prior to retiring, I worked in a behaviour unit with 11 - 16 year olds and would openly state that we worked with the wrong people. We could put all kinds of strategies in place for the students and would see huge changes in their behaviour through the school term. After the half term or weekend, we would be back to square one.

There is a person-centred counselling book by Mearns and Thorn and every parent should be made to read it.

Audiobook available for £7.99
 
Really interesting Norman. Can you expand a little?

Are you saying that you had really good results that were then negatively impacted when they went home for a short time?

Be interested to hear more. Thanks for the book recommendation
I know you also work in behaviour and am sure you understand what I am saying regarding parents having a negative impact on their child.

Poor parenting increases the chance of a child becoming involved in criminal activity or them becoming withdrawn from school. In the unit I was in, staff were battling on two fronts, with a hidden force at home endorsing the negative behaviour the student displays at school - the majority of the students we work with their parents had a negative experience at school and felt let down by the education system. This negativity is passed on down the line and the cycle continues. To make matters worse, we also have the negative attitude of core staff who only see little Johnny disturbing lessons and ruining the education of others and putting them out of the classroom at the first opportunity.

A lot of the students I worked with would not have a meaningful conversation with an adult after leaving school for the weekend and would be surprised when we spent time asking them how their weekend had been. Parents not being there for their child also leads to a lack of boundaries and the child feeling like they are in control. This causes issues when they are reprimanded in the classroom setting.

I could go on more about this but feel like I would be telling my granny how to suck eggs.

I ran a short programme (would have liked it to run a lot longer) where we removed students from the classroom setting and concentrated on English, maths and science (with core teaching staff) but also added a lot of art, sport, cooking and playing board games. All the staff had to join in and allow the students to see that we didn't always get things right. Each child had a daily progress report emailed out to parents, with a ticky traffic light box stating if they had met our expectations and a short daily report. If a student had failed on all parts of his report, a telephone call would be made to the parent outlining the behaviour but also concentrating on the positives. Childish it may seem but this worked well with our older students and also won the parents over . At the end of the programme we would invite parents in for afternoon tea and I would spend 15 minutes with each students parent(s) going through what they had achieved, offering to advocate for them in school on their behalf by supporting them in school meetings and putting in classroom support for their child. Each child would present their parent(s) with a hamper they had put together in the cookery lessons.
 
I know you also work in behaviour and am sure you understand what I am saying regarding parents having a negative impact on their child.

Poor parenting increases the chance of a child becoming involved in criminal activity or them becoming withdrawn from school. In the unit I was in, staff were battling on two fronts, with a hidden force at home endorsing the negative behaviour the student displays at school - the majority of the students we work with their parents had a negative experience at school and feel let down by the education system. This negativity is passed on down the line and the cycle continues. To make matters worse, we also have the negative attitude of score staff who only see little Johnny disturbing lessons and ruining the education of others and putting them out of the classroom at the first opportunity.

A lot of the students I worked with would not have a meaningful conversation with an adult after leaving school for the weekend and would be surprised when we spent time asking them how their weekend had been. Parents not being there for their child also leads to a lack of boundaries and the child feeling like they are in control. This causes issues when they are reprimanded in the classroom setting.

I could go on more about this but feel like I would be telling my granny how to suck eggs.

I ran a short programme (would have liked it to run a lot longer) where we removed students from the classroom setting and concentrated on English, maths and science (with core teaching staff) but also added a lot of art, sport, cooking and playing board games. All the staff had to join in and allow the students to see that we didn't always get things right. Each child had a daily progress report emailed out to parents, with a ticky traffic light box stating if they had met our expectations and a short daily report. If a student had failed on all parts of his report, a telephone call would be made to the parent outlining the behaviour but also concentrating on the positives. Childish it may seem but this worked well with our older students and also won the parents over . At the end of the programme we would invite parents in for afternoon tea and I would spend 15 minutes with each students parent(s) going through what they had achieved, offering to advocate for them in school on their behalf by supporting them in school meetings and putting in classroom support for their child. Each child would present their parent(s) with a hamper they had put together in the cookery lessons.
Facinating stuff thanks for sharing mate. I work in crime strategy and community safety which is a massively broad field that touches on everything but my background and degree was in community education.

I've seen first hand both sides on how the prosaic way we teach kids can be really difficult for some (I didn't enjoy it at all) and that other forms of learning can help them flourish massively and to acheiclve things they or their families would ever think possible. In particular, these kinds of schools quick to exclude kids are essentially putting them on the conveyor belt at the failure factory.

Likewise I've seen the impact that poor parenting, trauma and other complex issues have on young people and their ability to cope.

We did an audit on the top 20/25 violent and prolific offenders in our location a while back. Awful people you frankly wouldn't want in society, full stop really. Amongst other problems, every single one of them to a man grew up witnessing their mother/grandmother being abused in a range of ways consistently for years.

Not for a second condoning any of their subsequent actions. They need to be dealt with robustly, but Jesus Christ!

Kids having that level of trauma every single day. Nobody can be surprised they are fxuked.
 
From what I’ve seen it seems he is still in prison


“The other important fact is that, yes, Venables is currently in prison.

He was given a 40-month sentence in February 2018 for possession of indecent images of children.

He was then denied parole in September 2020 and told he will remain in prison at least another two years.”
 
It sounds like he's still in prison.

Although many on social media saying he was actually killed last week and its been hushed up due to animiity etc.

I'm not for mob justice (apart from anything else they often get the wrong person). That said I'd have zero sympathy if anything happens to him.

One of the worst crimes in my lifetime. Those hauting pictures as they lead James away😕. I don't care how old they were.... You still know it's wrong at every level.

Also let's not forget the fact he's gone on to be a twice convicted Pedophile. So you've got a child killing pedo. I doubt you could get a worse human being.

I've often wondered what happened to Thomson. The guy could have kids and be happily married. He will be living next door to someone or a workmate and they'd never know. It's quiet a strange thought.
 
I know you also work in behaviour and am sure you understand what I am saying regarding parents having a negative impact on their child.

Poor parenting increases the chance of a child becoming involved in criminal activity or them becoming withdrawn from school. In the unit I was in, staff were battling on two fronts, with a hidden force at home endorsing the negative behaviour the student displays at school - the majority of the students we work with their parents had a negative experience at school and felt let down by the education system. This negativity is passed on down the line and the cycle continues. To make matters worse, we also have the negative attitude of core staff who only see little Johnny disturbing lessons and ruining the education of others and putting them out of the classroom at the first opportunity.

A lot of the students I worked with would not have a meaningful conversation with an adult after leaving school for the weekend and would be surprised when we spent time asking them how their weekend had been. Parents not being there for their child also leads to a lack of boundaries and the child feeling like they are in control. This causes issues when they are reprimanded in the classroom setting.

I could go on more about this but feel like I would be telling my granny how to suck eggs.

I ran a short programme (would have liked it to run a lot longer) where we removed students from the classroom setting and concentrated on English, maths and science (with core teaching staff) but also added a lot of art, sport, cooking and playing board games. All the staff had to join in and allow the students to see that we didn't always get things right. Each child had a daily progress report emailed out to parents, with a ticky traffic light box stating if they had met our expectations and a short daily report. If a student had failed on all parts of his report, a telephone call would be made to the parent outlining the behaviour but also concentrating on the positives. Childish it may seem but this worked well with our older students and also won the parents over . At the end of the programme we would invite parents in for afternoon tea and I would spend 15 minutes with each students parent(s) going through what they had achieved, offering to advocate for them in school on their behalf by supporting them in school meetings and putting in classroom support for their child. Each child would present their parent(s) with a hamper they had put together in the cookery lessons.
My wife is a teacher at a secondary school in a deprived part the city. It's students mainly come from the most deprived areas and between the students, over 30 different languages are spoken as a first language. Due to various factors the behaviour of many of the children can be difficult to manage to say the least. A few years ago, ITV made a programe with the school where they conducted a 3 student exchange programme with a private school. This meant 3 students became day boarders at the private school through the courts eof the project. The change in all 3, when away from their home environment was amazing with one even earning a scholarship to finish his studies at the private school.

The staff often feel like they are fighting an impossible battle as no matter what positive steps they make with the students, it's all undone once they are back home. Many feel they have no need to study as they want to finish school and work in "the chicken factory" as that is what has been drilled in to them. It's so sad and frustrating.

Great story
 
I hate stories like this.

Without wishing to comment on the original offences etc (there is nothing to be gained from that), its the whole "witchhunt" that exists around these things that scares me.

I lived in Warrington a while back and there were rumours about a lad who worked in Pizza Hut on a retail park there who people said was Venables. He got absolutely battered one night, and only the police saved him from a probable death.

It wasnt him - the lad was entirely innocent of everything.
 
I was unsure about posting this as, it is still just a rumour, but also it’s an emotional subject. As I have said what happened to that poor boy is incomprehensible, and whilst I agree the culprits of that heinous crime deserve to suffer, but Laughing is right in that as a civilised society we have to be better than that.
Does that rule out us having the death penalty?
 
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