Jacob Young MP sucking...

There is a group of voters typically aged 65-85 who often say I never claimed any benefits in my life. They nearly always vote and generally vote Conservative although switched to Labour or Liberals when Blair was around.

They came out of school in the 1950s/60s/early 70s when there was plenty of work on Teesside, housing was cheap when they bought in the 1960s/70s, so they now have a nice fully paid for family house or they rented a council house and then bought it for peanuts. In the late 1980s and early 1990s they bought cheap shares in privatisations and maybe started buying a few more shares possibkly started a private pension in the late 1980s.

They experienced a decent resourced education system and public sector - free school milk, new schools/colleges, free higher education with grants, NHS without queues and long waiting lists.

They benefited by the rise of occupational schemes in the 1960s and 70s and may have paid in for 30 years or more. Schemes that now do not exist for current employees.

They judge themselves different from others who claim any benefits/use food banks, but of course they don't face houses that cost eight to ten times the annual salary or high private rents, not able to join a generous occupational pension, having unstable work patterns, jobs on minimum wage, graduate loans to pay.

I have not making judgements just stating what I sometimes see. We nearly all live to some extent in bubbles of some kind. It is difficult to avoid.

In general they have done well in life and in general feel that people who struggle are not too bright, lazy, lack any ambition or just very unlucky (say develop long term illness when young or middle age).

I am not of the above generation, I left education when unemployment peaked, but I too benefitted from some of the above. I also moved away which has its advantages and disadvantages in my life.
Great post, hits the nail on the head, and not even one mention of the word boomers, I don't think I could have restrained myself :LOL:

I feel sorry for those who are trying to get on the ladder now, anyone under 30 and most under 40, they are completely screwed or the deck is stacked massively against them. If they can get a mortgage it's likely on a lower end property and one they will be paying for right up until they retire.
 
Great post, hits the nail on the head, and not even one mention of the word boomers, I don't think I could have restrained myself :LOL:

I feel sorry for those who are trying to get on the ladder now, anyone under 30 and most under 40, they are completely screwed or the deck is stacked massively against them. If they can get a mortgage it's likely on a lower end property and one they will be paying for right up until they retire.

I've been hearing lots of talk from conservatives over the last few days about true Conservative values such as working hard and taking responsibility for yourself.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and I also don't agree that we should have a society where people sit on their backsides and choose not to work.

Unfortunately life is not as black and white as that, we still need mechanisms to support the most vulnerable people in society. Some people physically can't work so as a society we should have an obligation to support them as we are all a freak accident away from being in that position.

As has been mentioned previously, young people now don't have free education, they face an increasing difficulty jobs market and a housing market which is spiralling out of control. What's wrong with helping this generation? Its not about giving them handouts but a bit of support. Not everyone can start a business and become a millionaire, the world doesn't work like that.
 
I've been hearing lots of talk from conservatives over the last few days about true Conservative values such as working hard and taking responsibility for yourself.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and I also don't agree that we should have a society where people sit on their backsides and choose not to work.

Unfortunately life is not as black and white as that, we still need mechanisms to support the most vulnerable people in society. Some people physically can't work so as a society we should have an obligation to support them as we are all a freak accident away from being in that position.

As has been mentioned previously, young people now don't have free education, they face an increasing difficulty jobs market and a housing market which is spiralling out of control. What's wrong with helping this generation? Its not about giving them handouts but a bit of support. Not everyone can start a business and become a millionaire, the world doesn't work like that.
Yup, working hard and taking responsibility is a good thing of course, but unfortunately for some, that won't get them far enough as you know.

We shouldn't have people choosing not to work, if they can work, but I suppose the Tories have not controlled this very well, and neither would Labour I expect. A small number of people who don't need help will always take advantage of systems designed to help others who really do need it, but the world has always been like that, and it of course doesn't mean we should give up that support.

We need to support those who need it better, and cut down on those playing the system, but I expect the latter is a lower number than people imagine.

We definitely need to do more to help the new generation, but it's a tough fight, as it's fighting a system which has developed over decades. We would need to massively reduce house prices or massively increase wages for younger folk to get the same parity as previous generations, and that's just one aspect. Going to be hard to find a workable solution for that, which people will vote for.
 
I live in toytown and not heard anything mentioned about vickers. I'm unaware of any difference he's made.

As to voting intentions, not a clue. If people are happy they'll vote to keep the status quo. I feel the country as a whole was much happier when Labour came in last time, than when the tories came in and kicked off the party with a big dose of austerity.
I see plenty on facebook on the big noticeboard group, there are 2 Tory councillors in one of the wards so often they send newsletters out. The "independents" led by Ted "ukip" strike take an "anyone but Labour" approach our of their hatred for IBIS
 
There is a group of voters typically aged 65-85 who often say I never claimed any benefits in my life. They nearly always vote and generally vote Conservative although switched to Labour or Liberals when Blair was around.

They came out of school in the 1950s/60s/early 70s when there was plenty of work on Teesside, housing was cheap when they bought in the 1960s/70s, so they now have a nice fully paid for family house or they rented a council house and then bought it for peanuts. In the late 1980s and early 1990s they bought cheap shares in privatisations and maybe started buying a few more shares possibkly started a private pension in the late 1980s.

They experienced a decent resourced education system and public sector - free school milk, new schools/colleges, free higher education with grants, NHS without queues and long waiting lists.

They benefited by the rise of occupational schemes in the 1960s and 70s and may have paid in for 30 years or more. Schemes that now do not exist for current employees.

They judge themselves different from others who claim any benefits/use food banks, but of course they don't face houses that cost eight to ten times the annual salary or high private rents, not able to join a generous occupational pension, having unstable work patterns, jobs on minimum wage, graduate loans to pay.

I have not making judgements just stating what I sometimes see. We nearly all live to some extent in bubbles of some kind. It is difficult to avoid.

In general they have done well in life and in general feel that people who struggle are not too bright, lazy, lack any ambition or just very unlucky (say develop long term illness when young or middle age).

I am not of the above generation, I left education when unemployment peaked, but I too benefitted from some of the above. I also moved away which has its advantages and disadvantages in my life.
You are talking about the "ooo Ben" brigade. Usually in the 60s, 70s, 80s,claimed to have worked hard all their lives but actually living off their or their husbands generous ICI pensions. Protected by the triple lock and don't understand that all Ben's money is actually that taken off the local authorities and spaffed up the wall on an airport with 3 flights a day and broken promises..
 
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