"It's a mild to moderate illness"

kuepper

kuepper

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According to the PM on 5th March in this interview. 2352 killed so far in the UK and many more to come through the herd immunity cull policy and the inaction on testing and PPE

 
Well he’s actually right for once - he says for the overwhelming majority it’s a mild to moderate illness, which is correct



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The real scandal is the lie that oh it’s only the old and and the Ill that need worry.

Resulting in everyone under the age of 70 then switching off and proceed to ignore any govts advice and carry on as normal because well I’m ok.

Sadly the reality as we are now seeing is far from that.
 
Has anyone ever actually said *only* the old and ill need worry? Or is that just what people picked up from the selective hearing/reading?

I think it’s been said all along they’re much more at risk, which is backed up by mortality rate in those categories, but there will always be outliers same with any condition.
 
TheFair86 said:
Has anyone ever actually said *only* the old and ill need worry? Or is that just what people picked up from the selective hearing/reading?

I think it’s been said all along they’re much more at risk, which is backed up by mortality rate in those categories, but there will always be outliers same with any condition.
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And I quote “it’s not about suppressing the illness as we don’t want to suppress it”

This is the mantra that led to “selective hearing/reading” as you put it but with terms like herd immunity being bandied about is it any wonder people were so blasé.
 
From the FT


“Communities will become immune to it and that’s going to be an important part of controlling this longer term,” he said. “About 60 per cent is the sort of figure you need to get herd immunity.”

In another interview with the BBC, Sir Patrick said: “If you suppress something very, very hard, when you release those measures it bounces back and it bounces back at the wrong time.”

He added: “Our aim is to try to reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it.”
 
That doesn’t say anything about only affecting old and ill though, I can’t remember seeing that anywhere, only that they’re at higher risk.
 
The plan
“There’s going to be a point, assuming the epidemic flows and grows as it will do, where you want to cocoon, to protect those at-risk groups so they don’t catch the disease,” said Dr David Halpern. “By the time they come out of their cocooning, herd immunity has been achieved in the rest of the population.”
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Ministers shrug off warning
 
The herd immunity policy is in full swing. There is no other explanation for the lack of ventilators ( todays Downing St announcement of having 30 extra ventilators is a sick Cummings joke), ventilators being taken away from those most likely to die, and lack of testing, especially of frontline staff many of whom still haven't got PPE. These platitudes and stonewalling at press conferences are even wearing thin with lickspittles like Kuennsberg.
 
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kuepper said:
According to the PM on 5th March in this interview. 2352 killed so far in the UK and many more to come through the herd immunity cull policy and the inaction on testing and PPE

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Give it a rest will ya, funky chicken is correct.
 
I posted this a couple of weeks ago. Still relevant to this thread:

The former Chair of the Royal College of GPs is recovering from the virus, which she said was “like the worst case of flu ever” and described the experience as “worse than childbirth”. Having recovered at home without hospitalisation, I suspect her symptoms would be described as mild to moderate.
 
Im currently arguing on facebook with an antivax conspiracy theorist who believes this isnt really happening and that because people have filmed hospitals looking quiet from the outside then ots fake. I’ve sent him videos of convoys of ambulances turning up at the hospital im in with patients in but apparently its not real.

some people are beyond help
 
This virus is a problem because it spreads so rapidly everyone is sick at the same time and causes pressure on the health service.

Otherwise so far less people have died so far than in the 2015 flu season (28,000). It just took a lot longer. No one realised how bad that season was until they looked at the annual death numbers. Will more than 28,000 die of Covid-19? Possibly.

For comparison H5N1 kills 60% of people infected. Just as well it's not as easily spread. If it was it would make Covid-19 seem like a picnic.

I would imagine it will be fairly easy after this is over for politicians to provide the right focus on pandemic preparedness.
 
br14 said:
This virus is a problem because it spreads so rapidly everyone is sick at the same time and causes pressure on the health service.

Otherwise so far less people have died so far than in the 2015 flu season (28,000). It just took a lot longer. No one realised how bad that season was until they looked at the annual death numbers. Will more than 28,000 die of Covid-19? Possibly.

For comparison H5N1 kills 60% of people infected. Just as well it's not as easily spread. If it was it would make Covid-19 seem like a picnic.

I would imagine it will be fairly easy after this is over for politicians to provide the right focus on pandemic preparedness.
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That figure for 2015 is wrong according to the official government report.
 
br14 said:
This virus is a problem because it spreads so rapidly everyone is sick at the same time and causes pressure on the health service.

Otherwise so far less people have died so far than in the 2015 flu season (28,000). It just took a lot longer. No one realised how bad that season was until they looked at the annual death numbers. Will more than 28,000 die of Covid-19? Possibly.

For comparison H5N1 kills 60% of people infected. Just as well it's not as easily spread. If it was it would make Covid-19 seem like a picnic.

I would imagine it will be fairly easy after this is over for politicians to provide the right focus on pandemic preparedness.
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BR14 is this a serious comment? If we get out of this with less than 100,000 deaths we will be lucky. 10,000 dies last year from seasonal flu. We will smash that before this time next week and still not have reached the peak. Your comments highlight a basic misunderstanding of what the numbers actually mean.
 
br14 said:
Otherwise so far less people have died so far than in the 2015 flu season (28,000). It just took a lot longer. No one realised how bad that season was until they looked at the annual death numbers. Will more than 28,000 die of Covid-19? Possibly..
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I’ve made this point before, but even if that 28,000 figure was correct, it is based on a purely statistical exercise examining ‘excess deaths’.

All that happens is that the Office for National Statistics compares the total number of people who died during the flu season (October to March) with the total number of people who died elsewhere in the year, calculates the number of excess deaths and attributes those to being flu-related. There is no actual evidence that any of those people died because of flu, or even that they had flu, it’s just an assumption.

To compare like with like you need to look at hospital admissions and hospital deaths of confirmed cases. In 2014/15 there was a total of 1,187 admissions to hospital for influenza, of which 100 patients died. For Covid-19 there have already been in excess of 10,000 hospital admissions and 2,352 deaths.

This is not the same as seasonal flu, even in a bad year!
 
Billy Horner said:
I’ve made this point before, but even if that 28,000 figure was correct, it is based on a purely statistical exercise examining ‘excess deaths’.

All that happens is that the Office for National Statistics compares the total number of people who died during the flu season (October to March) with the total number of people who died elsewhere in the year, calculates the number of excess deaths and attributes those to being flu-related. There is no actual evidence that any of those people died because of flu, or even that they had flu, it’s just an assumption.

To compare like with like you need to look at hospital admissions and hospital deaths of confirmed cases. In 2014/15 there was a total of 1,187 admissions to hospital for influenza, of which 100 patients died. For Covid-19 there have already been in excess of 10,000 hospital admissions and 2,352 deaths.

This is not the same as seasonal flu, even in a bad year!
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It wasn't even that number. It was 16145 and from the report:
This surveillance is undertaken on all-cause mortality and so the cause of the significant increase cannot be determined through this analysis. However it was noted that the rise coincided with an increased proportion of influenza detections in the European influenza surveillance schemes, with a main predominance of influenza A(H3N2) viruses seen throughout Europe. However it was also noted that cold snaps and other respiratory infections may also have contributed to the observation of increased excess mortality.
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It was a particularly cold winter, with periods down to -10degC and a lot of snow.
 
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