It’s looking like a potential landslide victory for Joe Biden

someone is clearly subscribed financially and emotionally to Breitbart and its nonsense. Antifa isn't an organisation, so isn't really funded as an entity, BLM is only ridiculous if your scared of change that benefits people other than you. Which is kinda the point, rich people don't want to pay more tax to benefit others, make that super-rich people.....
I’ve spent the last couple of months watching streams of the protests, listening to their speeches, watching them trash cities, shoot each other and smash peoples cars up for daring to drive on an interstate.
I don’t think it’s ridiculous because of opinion pieces I read, I think it’s ridiculous because of what I’ve seen and heard straight from the protestors themselves. Maybe you should do the same?
 
she is portrayed as extreme by some on the right, but by world politics terms she is soft to mid-left, far from extreme, americans have been brainwashed for decades though
I don't think that's the case. She would be viewed as being to the left on the UK. That didn't work too well for Labour in the last election.
It's too easy to say people have been brainwashed. I'll agree that the word socialist is not viewed that well here but nor is it in the UK.
 
America isn't ready for Bernie, too many people brainwashed into an ounce of socialism = communism. He wouldn't win in the same way Corbyn couldn't win here.
Boro Mart , if someone doesn't agree with your view are they automatically "brainwashed"? I voted for Bernie in the last.primary but I didn't think he would make a good president, it was more to temper Clinton.
 
I’ve spent the last couple of months watching streams of the protests, listening to their speeches, watching them trash cities, shoot each other and smash peoples cars up for daring to drive on an interstate.
I don’t think it’s ridiculous because of opinion pieces I read, I think it’s ridiculous because of what I’ve seen and heard straight from the protestors themselves. Maybe you should do the same?

Out of all the 100s of thousands of peaceful protestors across the world, you chose to go looking for the tiny minority who were causing trouble, didn’t you?
 
I'm quite shocked at the 'mood' in America at the moment - Trump, BLM, Protests, Coronavirus ... it's a perfect storm and seems like a mad house (not saying the UK is rosey by any means)

I just can't see how a peaceful end... can happen at the moment whoever wins ....
 
Boro Mart , if someone doesn't agree with your view are they automatically "brainwashed"? I voted for Bernie in the last.primary but I didn't think he would make a good president, it was more to temper Clinton.

It isn't because people don't agree with views. It's to do with how heavy and in fairness, successful the propaganda machine has been against socialism as an idea or concept. It's seen as the absolute devil by some, blamed for things it has no part in and rejected out of hand in situations where it would be greatly beneficial. It is completely reasonable to suggest there is a degree of brainwashing by the US establishment, predominantly republican but also Democrat in the demonisation of socialism.
 
I’ve spent the last couple of months watching streams of the protests, listening to their speeches, watching them trash cities, shoot each other and smash peoples cars up for daring to drive on an interstate.
I don’t think it’s ridiculous because of opinion pieces I read, I think it’s ridiculous because of what I’ve seen and heard straight from the protestors themselves. Maybe you should do the same?
I've seen plenty of the protests, hardly any of them, a >1% minority are violent, which is reflective of greater society. If you think that apart from the initial few days these are violent protests, if you don't think it's federal provocation, then yes, you are reading right wing propoganda
 
I'm quite shocked at the 'mood' in America at the moment - Trump, BLM, Protests, Coronavirus ... it's a perfect storm and seems like a mad house (not saying the UK is rosey by any means)

I just can't see how a peaceful end... can happen at the moment whoever wins ....
I'm not. I predicted that there would be major civil unrest when the loon got in 4 years ago, the only unknown was a pandemic
 
I don't think that's the case. She would be viewed as being to the left on the UK. That didn't work too well for Labour in the last election.
It's too easy to say people have been brainwashed. I'll agree that the word socialist is not viewed that well here but nor is it in the UK.
Why isn't it, because right wing media owning billionaires have scared people from it. To the point where having any socialist policies is now seen as theft. That isn't balanced, it isn't honest, it isn't fair on greater society. The real extremism we face is free market neo-liberal nonsense. That governments should be torn down and we should all put on our big boy pants and look after ourselves. But that is far more extremist than a few socialist policies. I don't believe in the extremism of communism, and I don't believe in mass socialism. BUT I also recognise that free market economics fails the masses and is just as extreme an ideology with many losers.
 
Boro Mart , if someone doesn't agree with your view are they automatically "brainwashed"? I voted for Bernie in the last.primary but I didn't think he would make a good president, it was more to temper Clinton.
No, people are brainwashed, the mainstream media has been owned by just a handful of billionaires who use it to push ideologies that keep their taxes low. It often works which is why the Tory party here and the GOP in the US are so successful. This shouldn't be seen as some kind of radical statement by me. I mean we've all seen "It was the Sun that won it", and Murdoch called "the kingmaker" etc. We've all seen working class tory voters, who read the Sun, this isn't an accident.
 
It isn't because people don't agree with views. It's to do with how heavy and in fairness, successful the propaganda machine has been against socialism as an idea or concept. It's seen as the absolute devil by some, blamed for things it has no part in and rejected out of hand in situations where it would be greatly beneficial. It is completely reasonable to suggest there is a degree of brainwashing by the US establishment, predominantly republican but also Democrat in the demonisation of socialism.
and to in a slightly more muted way here, lets be honest the repeated character assassinations of Labour leaders for 40 years because they will financially ruin the country....followed by 10 years of the tories financially ruining the country, is a repeating pattern
 
No, people are brainwashed, the mainstream media has been owned by just a handful of billionaires who use it to push ideologies that keep their taxes low. It often works which is why the Tory party here and the GOP in the US are so successful. This shouldn't be seen as some kind of radical statement by me. I mean we've all seen "It was the Sun that won it", and Murdoch called "the kingmaker" etc. We've all seen working class tory voters, who read the Sun, this isn't an accident.
I appreciate a reasoned debate , thanks for taking the time to answer in detail.
 
No, people are brainwashed, the mainstream media has been owned by just a handful of billionaires who use it to push ideologies that keep their taxes low. It often works which is why the Tory party here and the GOP in the US are so successful. This shouldn't be seen as some kind of radical statement by me. I mean we've all seen "It was the Sun that won it", and Murdoch called "the kingmaker" etc. We've all seen working class tory voters, who read the Sun, this isn't an accident.
Yes and they use it to push leftist democratic agendas, the MSM in America is almost entirely owned by democrat supporters, not to mention social media. Twitter, google, Facebook all censoring search results/actual trending topics in favour of pushing agendas.
 
Yes and they use it to push leftist democratic agendas, the MSM in America is almost entirely owned by democrat supporters, not to mention social media. Twitter, google, Facebook all censoring search results/actual trending topics in favour of pushing agendas.

Zuckerberg is a Republican, he’s made hundreds of millions of dollars taking money from the Trump campaign and the GOP to run their ads which are mostly filled with hate and lies.

The only reason he’s doing anything about these ads are the same reason most of these things happen, advertisers withdrawing or threatening to withdraw.

The free market which Conservatives claim to love has decided they don’t want to be associated with hate and racism, it’s certainly not because the media is left wing.

The media support a neo-liberal corporate agenda, which reflects the establishment of both the Dems and GOP.
 
Yes and they use it to push leftist democratic agendas, the MSM in America is almost entirely owned by democrat supporters, not to mention social media. Twitter, google, Facebook all censoring search results/actual trending topics in favour of pushing agendas.

You think the democrats are left wing? Really?

But yeah you've not been manipulated by the media.
 
Zuckerberg, like most of his ilk, is an opportunist who will lean whichever way the wind blows.
Most of the media in the US (Fox apart) is democrat. It's incredible to me that some of the most open discussions happen with Tucker Carlson on Fox (not all the time obviously), the other media channels are just spinning Biden for all they're worth.
The difference between democrat and republican as Pog points out is almost non-existent, they're both puppets of the same paymasters, if anything the democrats are just more disingenuous... just watch them pick Kamala Harris like I said. Biden gets voted in and the gravy train continues in a slightly different direction.
 
Yes and they use it to push leftist democratic agendas, the MSM in America is almost entirely owned by democrat supporters, not to mention social media. Twitter, google, Facebook all censoring search results/actual trending topics in favour of pushing agendas.
What Murdoch is a democrat? and as others have said Dems are not left, they are soft right. Come on catch up. If the media were left wing owned they wouldn't support either main US political party. Facebook has been absent from censoring and only recently have twitter started to actually apply its censoring to any useful degree. But what they have applied it to needed censoring, for being untruthful and dangerous.

The consensus seems to be that your post is at best ill-informed.
 
No, people are brainwashed, the mainstream media has been owned by just a handful of billionaires who use it to push ideologies that keep their taxes low. It often works which is why the Tory party here and the GOP in the US are so successful. This shouldn't be seen as some kind of radical statement by me. I mean we've all seen "It was the Sun that won it", and Murdoch called "the kingmaker" etc. We've all seen working class tory voters, who read the Sun, this isn't an accident.
The problem with your argument, Boromart, is that there are 2 left-wing dailies in the UK: Daily Mirror and Guardian, so the mainstream media is clearly not entirely owned by right-wing billionaires. The problem for the Mirror and the Guardian is that not many people buy them, which indicates that catering to left-wing views is not attractive to the majority of newspaper readers.
 
The problem with your argument, Boromart, is that there are 2 left-wing dailies in the UK: Daily Mirror and Guardian, so the mainstream media is clearly not entirely owned by right-wing billionaires. The problem for the Mirror and the Guardian is that not many people buy them, which indicates that catering to left-wing views is not attractive to the majority of newspaper readers.
entirely might not be fair, largely IS fair. Newspapers no longer exist to cater to newsreaders, they cater to the needs of the owners and their political ideologies. The Guardian is one that does do a lot of investigative journalism, Cadwalladr is a great example of that, an award winning journalist respected in her industry. However 95% of the British public are too lazy or uninterested in truth, in rooting out corruption to read her stuff. The general public, although liking individual left wing policies, such as protecting the NHS (not as a slogan, but actually protecting it), or privatising the trains, are enticed by stories of scandal and fear to 'news'papers such as The Sun. It's much easier to stoke fear than any other emotion.

The propensity for buying right wing papers, isn't a commentary on the British peoples base political desires, but on their fears.
 
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