Is Labour's poll lead a genuine sign of reelection?.

Benjiboy said:
They have had countless chances to shoot fish in a barrel yet barely lay a glove on the government most times , most of Boris;s problems are self inflicted & they will eradicate this as they do for the sake of the party , with or without Boris !!!

Starmer has had countless gifts , yet fails to grasp the nettle & people see him voting with the government & wonder why he does it constantly ?
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Labour are voting with the government on Covid measures as that's what the science recommends, the moment they don't, the Tories and their media will jump on them with the blame game.

Labour are simply in no position to do anything else.

Every week Labour attack the government on things that in the past would bring governments down, this government and its enablers are the most corrupt and incompetent set of liars ever known in modern politics with barely a moral spine between them.

No amount of knockout punches or open goals matter and those in the shadows are too cowardly to stand up against Johnson directly.

This government will crumble slowly from within as soon as the threat of losing their own seats become real and Labour along with the Lib Dems and Greens are currently doing a decent job of helping that majority crumble.
 
rbmfc1985 said:
Chances are that Johnson won't be leading the Conservatives into the next election. So I wouldn't be taking any polls, especially preferred prime minister, seriously at the moment.

Like in 2019, the new leader will likely distance themselves from the previous prime minister and also from the previous government. This is a hard strategy to fight against, especially with the added difficulty of landing strong blows against economic difficulties caused by the pandemic. It really depends on who the next Conservative leader is and how good he is at distancing himself from any attacks on the previous Conservative governments record.
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The Tories can' keep doing that though.
Cameron handed the baton to May and she ****ed it up.
May passed it onto Johnson and he's done likewise.
The public is very slowly running out of patience with this shower of shiite so it wouldn't matter who's next.
None of Raab, Gove, Hunt, Patel, Sunak or Truss would be able to arrest their decline.
 
Don't be so sure about that. I think they could fashion Rishi Sunak as almost the anti-Boris Johnson. He has a lot of goodwill from the pandemic spending and people see him as trustworthy.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Nope, unfortunately. Polls are pretty much meaningless; exit polls during Brexit demonstrated that, they were way off predicting the final result.
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There weren't any exit polls for brexit, were there?

a lot of the polls carried out in June did show a small leave victory, it's what causes me to bet big on the outcome on the night, think it's was just largely opinion that said it was going to be a remain win.

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If you go through the polls Theres also quite a lot of brexit support polls up until campaigning is suspended June 16 due to jo cox being murdered which then created a remain swing
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
There weren't any exit polls for brexit, were there?

a lot of the polls carried out in June did show a small leave victory, it's what causes me to bet big on the outcome on the night, think it's was just largely opinion that said it was going to be a remain win.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Opinion polling for the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum - Wikipedia

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If you go through the polls Theres also quite a lot of brexit support polls up until campaigning is suspended June 16 due to jo cox being murdered which then created a remain swing
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I think its temporary I'm afraid. What will dominate this is Covid (unfortunately). Johnson will be gone very soon, and replaced by anti-restriction candidate. The public outlook on restrictions has seemingly swung towards not having them anymore, and presently Labour are very pro restrictions. Its ashame because there are several Torie disasters just around the corner, but this will be dominated by covid restriction policies.
 
Lefty said:
Who could have known that taking Labour back to the mainstream could have led to a polling revival?

Most people.
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Taking Labour back to the mainstream, whatever that is, wasn't working that well before the Patterson fiasco and before all the Partygate scandals. Those 2 things more than anything have tipped the polls in Labour's favour, far more than any move to the mainstream and I hope it continues. But all of us should remember just how good the Tories are at reinventing themselves, don't ever become complacent. Who could have known that the Tories showing themselves to be totally corrupt and arrogant could tip the polls in Labour's favour?

Everyone.
 
Lefty said:
You need both
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Never said did you didn't. A shame it doesn't seem to work the other way. I get mightily cheesed off being labelled as Corbynista and that I would deny being something that didn't even exist until 2016. As you know Lefty, I will be voting Labour at the next elections both local and national. Perhaps if the PLP had remained as loyal and remembered that unity is strength is a fact and not just a slogan, we might just have done better in the last 2 elections. For those who have a go at people like me, remember you need Socialists to vote Labour just as much as you need bloody Tories to. TORIES OUT.
 
gregorgregorovich said:
Never said did you didn't. A shame it doesn't seem to work the other way. I get mightily cheesed off being labelled as Corbynista and that I would deny being something that didn't even exist until 2016. As you know Lefty, I will be voting Labour at the next elections both local and national. Perhaps if the PLP had remained as loyal and remembered that unity is strength is a fact and not just a slogan, we might just have done better in the last 2 elections. For those who have a go at people like me, remember you need Socialists to vote Labour just as much as you need bloody Tories to. TORIES OUT.
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When did I label you a Corbynista?

I pretty much agree with you and hold the same attitude. I back Labour, I vote Labour, I liked Corbyn on the whole and I defended him.

There was nothing wrong with being a ‘Corbynista’ anyway. There is something wrong, in my opinion, with not being able to see the serious errors of judgement he and his team made and being able to be critical.
 
Lefty said:
When did I label you a Corbynista?

I pretty much agree with you and hold the same attitude. I back Labour, I vote Labour, I liked Corbyn on the whole and I defended him.

There was nothing wrong with being a ‘Corbynista’ anyway. There is something wrong, in my opinion, with not being able to see the serious errors of judgement he and his team made and being able to be critical.
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You didn't, but the original poster does. Not me personally of course, but people who supported Labour under Corbyn. Stop being as paranoid as me:), who said that?
 
The Tories are in the process of making it slightly more difficult.
They are about to start gerrymandering the constituency boundaries…again
The new law for a crime that doesn’t really exist. Voter fraud at polling stations. Now photo i.d. required for casting vote. Could be up 2 million people without photo identification (Most people it call disenfranchisement)
A couple of zingers from the 1930’s in pending. The Gov. can ignore or change any judgment of Judicial Reviews they don’t like.
Well, we can protest that!! Guess what….you won’t be able too
In any future elections, and having to cope with the above…the Electoral Commission, plus other bodies and groups have maintained that postal voting is an area vulnerable to fraud.
But of course, a British Government, especially that of a Tory persuasion would never contemplate such an idea.
 
Lot of chickens being counted at the moment. Good to see Labour getting the same sort of polling leads Corbyn had late 2017 and Miliband had for years. Unfortunately the most likely outcome is just that the tories won't bother with an early election.

New tory leader, the boundary changes, two more years of Starmer chasing away party members (and their direct debits) and who knows what will happen next time the country goes to the polls?
 
Labour have a very good lead at the moment. Will it remain so? Possibly. I think Johnson won't go for a little while yet, but he is done. I can see a bounce of and when covid seems to be fine with. A bounce with a new leader is likely too.

On the flip side brexit is about to bite again with new legislation coming in to force. Gas prices going up. If Labour can maintain a lead over the next 3 to 6 months then yes its an indicator of a change of government.
 
Laughing said:
Labour have a very good lead at the moment. Will it remain so? Possibly. I think Johnson won't go for a little while yet, but he is done. I can see a bounce of and when covid seems to be fine with. A bounce with a new leader is likely too.

On the flip side brexit is about to bite again with new legislation coming in to force. Gas prices going up. If Labour can maintain a lead over the next 3 to 6 months then yes its an indicator of a change of government.
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I think Johnson is done, I think the Tories are done. You can never write them off and they have stacked the board. Even so.

Starmer just needs to be smarter than Corbyn and not give people a reason not to vote for him and if need be to be open to a progressive alliance.
 
magic said:
100% with you on that wretch Jacob Young but (and I know I’m in the minority on here) as a Labour voter all my life I will never ever vote for any party that endorsed and in some cases embraced lockdowns. I see them as the biggest crime ever committed against the people of this country
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This is the worst political take I've ever seen on this board.
 
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