Is anyone still arguing that Lumley is not a liability?

Booing him was wrong - totally.
I think he should be dropped and Daniels brought in - not because he's great but because Lumley makes too many clangers.
But I doubt he will be dropped.
Definitely need a new keeper next season
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Of course, it was a mistake, one of far too many he's made, but equally some people are dying to be proved "right", whatever they define that as.

Not just Lumley, but there's other players this season, previous seasons and no doubt next season too.
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I'm not desperate to be proven right, quite the opposite.
But Lumley and Connolly need chasing.
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
It's easy to pick on the goalie after losing 1 nil but we lost because the whole team were crap today. We needed goals to win not the long sought after by Boro fans perfect goalie.
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You don't need a perfect goalie to save the goal that decided the game.

Even an average goalkeeper would have saved it
We lost because Lumley couldn't save a weak and slow shot from outside the box that was right at him.

We didn't win because the rest of the team played poorly going forwards, but that game should have ended 0-0.
 
How bad must Daniels and Brynn be to not get the nod ahead of him? Do we have a goalkeeping coach, and can’t he see the failings that have appeared all season?
 
although I ain't a lumley fan, but to suggest Daniels as an alternative is ridiculous. When he received a passback he acted like it was the first time he had ever seen a football! The way wilder plays even if he is a better shot stopper he will cost us more goals
 
Looking at the Lumley mistake, it's like he overthinks and is maybe too aware of all the possibilities , great for an attacking midfielder, but when he lets shots go by that he should be saving and then stands up to blame the Boro players around him he should look at the video and work out what went wrong, what he could have done better, what distracted him and something did, but does he reflect on his performances and try to isolate the area that keeps not reacting quickly enough, I hope he does well whatever he does but too improve and he needs to then he has to really work at improving his performances.
 
exeterboro said:
Looking at the Lumley mistake, it's like he overthinks and is maybe too aware of all the possibilities , great for an attacking midfielder, but when he lets shots go by that he should be saving and then stands up to blame the Boro players around him he should look at the video and work out what went wrong, what he could have done better, what distracted him and something did, but does he reflect on his performances and try to isolate the area that keeps not reacting quickly enough, I hope he does well whatever he does but too improve and he needs to then he has to really work at improving his performances.
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Lumley's problems as a goalkeeper come whenever he has too much time to think about what to do.

He was clearly over thinking that someone could've ran past or got a touch and never moved his feet as a result, by the time it was clear noone was near for a touch it's too late and he's rooted.

The basics of that shot is to get something behind it first and be able to react to a touch or rebound second, he's done it backwards and let a soft, straight shot past him instead.

Decision making like that is a fundamental basic for a goalkeeper, if he doesn't have it by now, he unfortunately never will.

As a 'keeper myself I tend to stick up for them as people often expect to much sometimes, but there's no excuse for not doing the basics right at this level.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
Booing him was wrong - totally.
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This.
He has good performances in him, he needs to dig deep and we need to back him wether we want to or not because we need to not make the situation worse at this stage by being on his back, it's too close to the end of the season, let's just be on board with players and the manager and we can do this!
 
Chris_Boro said:
The basics of that shot is to get something behind it first and be able to react to a touch or rebound second, he's done it backwards and let a soft, straight shot past him instead.

Decision making like that is a fundamental basic for a goalkeeper, if he doesn't have it by now, he unfortunately never will.
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Exactly, if a Hull player had got to the ball and knocked it past him, fine it's not on him, it's the defenders then who are responsible he has to go for what he can and not wait, the very top goalkeepers might wait but that is in their skill set and they have the confidence to get it right, he doesn't he needs to go for the 1st shot.
 
uncle_rico said:
Lumley has been poor, and cost us points, but we have to stop putting him under unnecessary pressure. We’ve done it pretty much every game since Wilder came in and still haven’t realised that he’s not Allison or Ederson.

A new keeper will be a priority for next season, but for now we are stuck with Lumley.
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Seriously?

You think it our fault or ‘the fans’ fault he makes those mistakes? Because we say it as it actually is. If we praised him all the time he’d make less errors?

Where is that shaking head emoji 🤦🏻
Jonny Ingbar said:
Of course, it was a mistake, one of far too many he's made, but equally some people are dying to be proved "right", whatever they define that as.

Not just Lumley, but there's other players this season, previous seasons and no doubt next season too.
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Dying to be proved right.…. Come on Jonny you’re better than that. People are sick and tired of his mistakes costing us points. Is telling the truth a crime on here now? Are we meant to pretend some things never happen? Only discuss positives? If so, after that performance, the traffic on here should be like that on a cul-de-sac in Danby.
 
coluka said:
Seriously?

You think it our fault or ‘the fans’ fault he makes those mistakes? Because we say it as it actually is. If we praised him all the time he’d make less errors?

Where is that shaking head emoji 🤦🏻

Dying to be proved right.…. Come on Jonny you’re better than that. People are sick and tired of his mistakes costing us points. Is telling the truth a crime on here now? Are we meant to pretend some things never happen? Only discuss positives? If so, after that performance, the traffic on here should be like that on a cul-de-sac in Danby.
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When have I said it’s the fans fault?

It’s his teammates that put him under pressure in pretty much every game.

As I said he’s not good enough but let’s not make out it’s all down to him.
 
uncle_rico said:
When have I said it’s the fans fault?

It’s his teammates that put him under pressure in pretty much every game.

As I said he’s not good enough but let’s not make out it’s all down to him.
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Ok, by ‘we‘ you meant ‘his teammates’ then.

All goals generally originate from errors somewhere. Crosses could be stopped, players shown onto their wrong foot, loose passes etc. One of the points of a keeper is to stop shots when those things happen. It is not like he is bombarded day in day out with shots reigning down on him. Yesterdays goal was easily dealt with by any competent keeper. He then compounded it by berating a team mate, his reaction was a joke, a joke that wasn’t funny. We already know his teammates have had words behind the scenes. I would say he puts more pressure on his teammates rather than the other way round.

His reaction once the ball left the scorers boot was embarrassingly poor. I am convinced every other keeper in the championship would have saved that. Wilder himself said he should have too. His mistake yesterday is more likely to affect team cohesion than anything Wilder said publicly. He probably has to be dropped for his own sake as much as that of the good of the team. Is Daniels good enough? I am not certain he is either, but despite the importance of the next two games, I think Wilder has his toughest call to make since he came in. Were Lumley to start, if i were an opposition manager I’d be drilling my team to shoot from distance as often as possible, whatever the angle.
 
I would refer back to the man utd penalty shoot out. My grandfather could have saved at least on of them, and hes been in a box 15yrs.

His berating of his defenders probably pd them and Wilder off.

Can't see the point of booing the lad whilst he is on the pitch mind. That doesn't help anyone. We are stuck with him, now only for a short while longer. He's certainly gone come summer.
 
My opinion is that he has problems reading the line of a ball leading to him being slow to react. Lumley when he's at his absolute best is an ok Championship keeper but if his performance levels ever drop even a fraction then he can let in really soft goals and make massive misjudgements about when to rush out. He is also not good at reading a striker's intentions. Some of his failed attempts to save are hardly even non-league standard because I think it takes him too long to figure out the trajectory and speed of a shot.

I can't say for sure but I think a lot of his best performances have featured a lot of close range, reflex saves while a lot of his soft goals are shots from range that you would expect to be fairly routine saves. He also frequently misjudges his rushes out; usually he can adjust and improvise but once in a while it leads to a simple chance.

If my perceptions are right, this isn't something that can be fixed. To me it looks like he has exceeded the limits of his ability and been found out. Wilder seems to be implying that Daniels and Brynn aren't good enough to replace him which is pretty damning of those two. I guess Wilder has been hoping that the team could set up in such a way to cover for Lumley's failings but they're pretty obvious now and every opponent now knows about it. I suspect that Lumley at his absolute best is a better option than Daniels and Brynn but that average Joe isn't. Probably Wilder has to replace him with Daniels even if Daniels is a pretty average keeper who has hardly played in 5 years.

To use jargon, Lumley's ceiling is championship but his floor is non-league. Daniels' ceiling seems to be league one but his floor is probably also league one. Obviously no-one at this point knows about Brynn.
 
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