Interesting note from yesterday

[viv_andersons_nana]

10 of Boro’s starting 11 have arrived at the club since Kieron Scott was appointed.

Glover, Ayling, Engel, Clarke, Rav, O’Brien, Barlaser, McGree, Silvera, Azaz.

Another 2 came off the bench - Greenwood and Forss.

Just thought it was worth pointing out for those who like to keep an eye of this kind of thing.

 

[dooderooni]

I think the new plan will come good eventually, but my biggest worry is that the financial pressures on the club will mean we don't keep our talent long enough for it to pay the ultimate dividend of promotion. You need at least 2 full seasons out of your best players to have a chance of them forming a good team.

 

[Jedi boro]

I think the new plan will come good eventually, but my biggest worry is that the financial pressures on the club will mean we don't keep our talent long enough for it to pay the ultimate dividend of promotion. You need at least 2 full seasons out of your best players to have a chance of them forming a good team.

Yes the plan only works if it benefits the club on the field as well as off it.

 

[Teesste]

I think the new plan will come good eventually, but my biggest worry is that the financial pressures on the club will mean we don't keep our talent long enough for it to pay the ultimate dividend of promotion. You need at least 2 full seasons out of your best players to have a chance of them forming a good team.

I think that’s a fair point. This summer will be telling, if we can keep all our promising talent and improve on it we will have a much better chance of challenging next season.

 

[h_m_boro]

I think that’s a fair point. This summer will be telling, if we can keep all our promising talent and improve on it we will have a much better chance of challenging next season.

If we sell any of the talent - beyond the silly offers you can't turn down - that will be proof it's business first, sporting glory second.

Appreciate there has to be a balance, but if say Hackney AND VDB were sold for "decent" money, doesn't really give out the right message does it?

Fingers crossed financially we don't need to sell, and it will be quality not quantity this summer

 

[Jedi boro]

If we sell any of the talent - beyond the silly offers you can't turn down - that will be proof it's business first, sporting glory second.

Appreciate there has to be a balance, but if say Hackney AND VDB were sold for "decent" money, doesn't really give out the right message does it?

Fingers crossed financially we don't need to sell, and it will be quality not quantity this summer

Especially as this decent money will have to be used to replace those that have left as well as looking for future stars.

 

[LaPennaBianca]

I believe the idea is that we sell 1-2 a year and invest in 3-4 more. Eventually you have enough quality through the team to get promoted or enough money to not be forced to sell.

Brentford went through about 3 cycles of this before they actually went up.

 

[TeaCider]

There's only Jones, Howson, McNair and Dijksteel who were signed before Scott started here, and there's a good chance that at least 2 of those will leave in the summer.

We've had a lot of player churn.

 

[BillinghamLad]

I think we have to accept that in order to keep a reasonably good squad and to find new talent then we may have to sell one ‘star player’ each year. This presumes we remain in the Championship. The likes of Hackney and RVDB will want a chance in the Premiership or other main league so we need to be realistic. The Rogers sale was a bonus in terms of funds and we can only hope this helps with incoming players in the summer. I wouldn’t be surprised if we lose Hackney in the summer but as long as we don’t also lose RVDB and McGree then we should be able to progress. This all changes if we can gain promotion but that will be a tough ask this year.

 

[adammarc_98]

I believe the idea is that we sell 1-2 a year and invest in 3-4 more. Eventually you have enough quality through the team to get promoted or enough money to not be forced to sell.

Brentford went through about 3 cycles of this before they actually went up.

Exactly this. Brentford started out with the likes of Andre Gray and James Tarkowski, then sold them on for a profit. They replaced them with the likes of John Egan and Scott Hogan, then sold them on for a profit, then Konsa and Watkins, etc.

Scott knows what he is doing. The average EFL Championship club, without the threat of administration or instability crises, aiming to gradually build a sustainable outfit ready for Premier League football in the long term, has two shots in a five year stint of seriously challenging for promotion. This gives you three seasons where you are realistically building to that end goal. This season, we've sold Akpom, and replaced him (rightly or wrongly) with Latte Lath and Coburn. We've also sold Morgan Rogers, and had a surefire replacement already in place via Finn Azaz. Next year, it could be Hackney and Jones. The idea of the Moneyball model is that you build a competitive young squad where players moving out of the squad are typically replaced by their understudy in the squad, and unless they're of such immense value that you need a like for like replacement, any player signed with those proceeds will likely fill the backup option. Brighton are probably a better example of the latter than Brentford.

 

[locomansimon]

If we sell any of the talent - beyond the silly offers you can't turn down - that will be proof it's business first, sporting glory second.

Appreciate there has to be a balance, but if say Hackney AND VDB were sold for "decent" money, doesn't really give out the right message does it?

Fingers crossed financially we don't need to sell, and it will be quality not quantity this summer

The bills and wages need to be paid

 

[changingman]

The bills and wages need to be paid

I also think the two should go hand in hand. There's little chance there would be interest in any of our players if we're playing terribly and the better we perform, the higher the value.

As mentioned above, these things take time. I'd say we're in year 1 or a three year cycle and should be judged as such.

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

I think the new plan will come good eventually, but my biggest worry is that the financial pressures on the club will mean we don't keep our talent long enough for it to pay the ultimate dividend of promotion. You need at least 2 full seasons out of your best players to have a chance of them forming a good team.

I think the strategy needs some time to work fully, in that over time the club will increasingly make profit on its signings and this in turn can then afford more money to be spent on players, albeit ones which remain within the same profile ie develop them and sell at a profit.

If that works properly - and others clubs have shown it can - then the result should be an increasingly talented team and squad and an upwards progression in terms of league placings.

We are still in the very early days of that plan.

 

[BoroMad87]

I think that’s a fair point. This summer will be telling, if we can keep all our promising talent and improve on it we will have a much better chance of challenging next season.

I don't think it's a case of keeping our best players they all want to be here but as we know they all have a figure on there head and if that figure is met we as a club are virtually guiding them out the door with our best wishes and this will always be the case irrespective of which league we are inn the only difference will be the sum of money we can command.

I don't want to see us sell our players and would like to think, dieng, Rav,Lenihan, Hackney,Jones, Azaz,Mcgree, Lath are all going to form a base of which we can build on for next season but the truth be told we will sell if our valuation is met or exceeded.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

I think the strategy needs some time to work fully, in that over time the club will increasingly make profit on its signings and this in turn can then afford more money to be spent on players, albeit ones which remain within the same profile ie develop them and sell at a profit.

If that works properly - and others clubs have shown it can - then the result should be an increasingly talented team and squad and an upwards progression in terms of league placings.

We are still in the very early days of that plan.

Unfortunately everyone and their uncle is trying to do this now. We are well behind the curve. The trick isn't in having a plan. It's in executing that plan better than everyone else.