Interesting analysis of away ticket sales this season..

NorthumberlandBoro said:
Not sure about the arguments presented above about the premier league.
The bigger clubs have much bigger fan bases than us and will always be over subscribed for away games.
The away allocations tend to be 3k which is decent, compared to many in the championship.
Are we really likely to be winning week creating huge demand?Hope so but doubt it.

In our last season in the prem it was just a free for all for away tickets. If you had a fast laptop and/or got lucky you were successful in getting tickets for popular games. Not a great way to allocate in my book.
Anyway no need to worry about the prem for the near future.
At least we seem to be agreeing that the current system is not a closed shop.
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Personally I don't see the problem with someone that has been to 15 away games missing one. It's such a weird sense of entitlement that some people have that they should always be at the front of the queue.

The fairest way without having a system is the "free for all" that you describe. We usually just call that a queue. It does disadvantage people that are unable to get to the front of the queue at a specific time so it isn't perfect but it's the easiest system to implement.

The next fairest system is a raffle so everyone that wants a ticket enters a ballot and if your ticket is drawn you get to go. The most fair way, and the superfans that think they should always be front of the queue really don't like this one, is that everyone that is successful one week in the ballot goes to the back of the queue the next week so everyone that wants a turn gets a turn.

The least fair system and the one that guarantees that a small group of people always get to go no matter what circumstances are is the one we have now.

People don't want fairness though. A very vocal minority have insisted we have to have a system that suits just them.


I'm not a season ticket holder so none of it affects me. I fully accept I have to wait until general sale but as a "neutral observer" it is so patently obvious that the priority system is the opposite of fair and clearly open to abuse.
 
Nano said:
Personally I don't see the problem with someone that has been to 15 away games missing one. It's such a weird sense of entitlement that some people have that they should always be at the front of the queue.

The fairest way without having a system is the "free for all" that you describe. We usually just call that a queue. It does disadvantage people that are unable to get to the front of the queue at a specific time so it isn't perfect but it's the easiest system to implement.

The next fairest system is a raffle so everyone that wants a ticket enters a ballot and if your ticket is drawn you get to go. The most fair way, and the superfans that think they should always be front of the queue really don't like this one, is that everyone that is successful one week in the ballot goes to the back of the queue the next week so everyone that wants a turn gets a turn.

The least fair system and the one that guarantees that a small group of people always get to go no matter what circumstances are is the one we have now.

People don't want fairness though. A very vocal minority have insisted we have to have a system that suits just them.


I'm not a season ticket holder so none of it affects me. I fully accept I have to wait until general sale but as a "neutral observer" it is so patently obvious that the priority system is the opposite of fair and clearly open to abuse.
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Everyone has the option of attending most away games.
For the minority of away games we have a loyalty system to manage demand.
If you don't believe in a loyalty system you won't agree with it, fair enough.
 
Nano said:
Personally I don't see the problem with someone that has been to 15 away games missing one. It's such a weird sense of entitlement that some people have that they should always be at the front of the queue.

The fairest way without having a system is the "free for all" that you describe. We usually just call that a queue. It does disadvantage people that are unable to get to the front of the queue at a specific time so it isn't perfect but it's the easiest system to implement.

The next fairest system is a raffle so everyone that wants a ticket enters a ballot and if your ticket is drawn you get to go. The most fair way, and the superfans that think they should always be front of the queue really don't like this one, is that everyone that is successful one week in the ballot goes to the back of the queue the next week so everyone that wants a turn gets a turn.

The least fair system and the one that guarantees that a small group of people always get to go no matter what circumstances are is the one we have now.

People don't want fairness though. A very vocal minority have insisted we have to have a system that suits just them.


I'm not a season ticket holder so none of it affects me. I fully accept I have to wait until general sale but as a "neutral observer" it is so patently obvious that the priority system is the opposite of fair and clearly open to abuse.
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Bang on.
 
NorthumberlandBoro said:
Looking at the list , loads of Northern games made general sale.
I think only Sunderland,Leeds, Hudds and Rotherham didn't.
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Hull and Preston were mid-week which is why I would guess they got to general sale.
Blackburn is always a big allocation so usually makes general sale.

As a non ST holder, I would usually only have access to mid-week matches or long distance away matches. Either that, or abuse the system and use a mate's ST which what happens far too often.

But that's the way it is. I'm OK with the priority points system in theory. It's just annoying that it clearly get's abused. It benefits both the recipient and the lender when people use other people's STs for away matches.
 
theredrooster said:
At the moment no, as demand doesn't outstrip supply, but if we get into the Premier League under this priority system it would very quickly become a closed shop. Established Premier League clubs who use the same system have had their fans complaining for years that it creates a closed shop. That's why some people are critical of this approach.
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Fans can turn up now if they want tickets when/if we get promoted. It’s not a closed shop

For those just wanting to turn up when we are playing the best sides, then yes it will be a closed shop

This proves the system works fine
 
Next season will probably be
L**ds.*
Blades
Pigs*
Barnsley*
Mackems

*if in this division

That will sell out, all others non-ST holders should get a crack at.
 
SCG said:
Next season will probably be
L**ds.*
Blades
Pigs*
Barnsley*
Mackems

*if in this division

That will sell out, all others non-ST holders should get a crack at.
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Depends how well we are doing. If we are in the top 6 come January, we will sell out every away game within 200 miles of Middlesbrough for the rest of the season or until we fall away.
I bet the same spreadhseet last season would have had a lot more red in the general sale column and more green in the sell out column. (It annoys me that he hasn't used red for sell out and green for not sold out :ROFLMAO: )
 
SCG said:
Next season will probably be
L**ds.*
Blades
Pigs*
Barnsley*
Mackems

*if in this division

That will sell out, all others non-ST holders should get a crack at.
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Barnsley will hit general sale (big allocation).
Derby may well if we get the full 3,200.
Even Leeds has gone to general sale in the past.
 
The current priority points scheme is as far as it can be.

There is no ticketing scheme that favours everyone, but the one we have at the moment is the fairest it can be.

The only thing that really needs addressing is the start up points (assuming those are on 2 consecutive seasons).

160pts for Season ticket holders since Riverside opened. 29 years
150pts for Season ticket holders since Chairman's drink. 7 years
140pts for all other Season ticket holders. 2+ years

The top 2 sections are closed shops and need addressing.

However, it has has shown this season that the away games aren't a closed shop and the only ones moaning about the scheme are the fans that want to just be able to get a high demand away ticket for the likes of Sunderland away, without putting in the mileage.

Long may 'Boro continue with this scheme (y)
 
There will always be winners and losers in these schemes (or even in the absence of one) I don't envy the job of whoever it was to come up with it.
 
fmttmadmin said:
I think what JM14 says is important isn't it - it starts again every 2 seasons.
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But some people start with more than others depending on how long you've had your season ticket and seemingly no way to get into that higher bracket.

I think either all season ticket holders should start on the same number of PP. Or the additional points be given after a set number of seasons. 5 years / 10 years / 20 years.
 
Nano said:
Personally I don't see the problem with someone that has been to 15 away games missing one. It's such a weird sense of entitlement that some people have that they should always be at the front of the queue.

The fairest way without having a system is the "free for all" that you describe. We usually just call that a queue. It does disadvantage people that are unable to get to the front of the queue at a specific time so it isn't perfect but it's the easiest system to implement.

The next fairest system is a raffle so everyone that wants a ticket enters a ballot and if your ticket is drawn you get to go. The most fair way, and the superfans that think they should always be front of the queue really don't like this one, is that everyone that is successful one week in the ballot goes to the back of the queue the next week so everyone that wants a turn gets a turn.

The least fair system and the one that guarantees that a small group of people always get to go no matter what circumstances are is the one we have now.

People don't want fairness though. A very vocal minority have insisted we have to have a system that suits just them.


I'm not a season ticket holder so none of it affects me. I fully accept I have to wait until general sale but as a "neutral observer" it is so patently obvious that the priority system is the opposite of fair and clearly open to abuse.
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Let's flip this on its head. If you go to every Boro game you look forward to EVERY Boro game. You don't have the attitude that you go to see Boro play away at Birmingham to see us play at Leeds. You want to see Boro play FULL STOP,

But I can well understand if you don't go to many away games you might mistakenly think the same people are at every game and that they only go to one game for priority points for another.
What the OP is showing that most Boro fans have the opportunity to go to most away games. People can wrongly think that without points they cannot get in to games. But they can. The OP is myth busting.
 
fmttmadmin said:
Let's flip this on its head. If you go to every Boro game you look forward to EVERY Boro game. You don't have the attitude that you go to see Boro play away at Birmingham to see us play at Leeds. You want to see Boro play FULL STOP,

But I can well understand if you don't go to many away games you might mistakenly think the same people are at every game and that they only go to one game for priority points for another.
What the OP is showing that most Boro fans have the opportunity to go to most away games. People can wrongly think that without points they cannot get in to games. But they can. The OP is myth busting.
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There's a difference between looking forward to them and being entitled to them though. Sorry Rob but as someone clearly on the benefiting from the system end of the spectrum I'm not sure you are impartial enough to judge this situation.

Genuine question. Do you think you should ever miss a match?

Why do you deserve to go to Sunderland, for example, more than any other season ticket holder?

If you look forward to every match and you want to go to every match and 24 of them you are guaranteed a ticket and 5 of them you have an 80% chance of getting a ticket then why do we need to have a priority system so the 5% or so of season ticket holders can bump that up to 100%? Why is you not being able to attend 97% of the matches you want to see not enough but someone else being able to attend 0% of the matches they want to see is fine? In any other situation it would be described as greed.

If any of your answers to the above are about sacrifices then you can hold them because doing your hobby, something you want to do, every week is a privilege and not a sacrifice.

The OP isn't myth busting. OP is doing the opposite and showing that the highest demand games are a closed shop. If your pitch about every game being equal was true then why would you be so upset about missing one of those in demand games more than you would one of the others? Obviously those games do mean more for whatever reason (local, rival, low cost, important cup game, pivotal moment of the season etc)
 
Nano said:
There's a difference between looking forward to them and being entitled to them though. Sorry Rob but as someone clearly on the benefiting from the system end of the spectrum I'm not sure you are impartial enough to judge this situation.

Genuine question. Do you think you should ever miss a match?

Why do you deserve to go to Sunderland, for example, more than any other season ticket holder?

If you look forward to every match and you want to go to every match and 24 of them you are guaranteed a ticket and 5 of them you have an 80% chance of getting a ticket then why do we need to have a priority system so the 5% or so of season ticket holders can bump that up to 100%? Why is you not being able to attend 97% of the matches you want to see not enough but someone else being able to attend 0% of the matches they want to see is fine? In any other situation it would be described as greed.

If any of your answers to the above are about sacrifices then you can hold them because doing your hobby, something you want to do, every week is a privilege and not a sacrifice.

The OP isn't myth busting. OP is doing the opposite and showing that the highest demand games are a closed shop. If your pitch about every game being equal was true then why would you be so upset about missing one of those in demand games more than you would one of the others? Obviously those games do mean more for whatever reason (local, rival, low cost, important cup game, pivotal moment of the season etc)
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I don't benefit from.the system. I am not strictly part of the priority as such.
I pay for an away season ticket. I use it every game.
 
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