In the interest of balance name me one thing one positive of this tory govt.

newyddion said:
Remainers wouldn’t have it. All or nothing, rather see the county burn than see compromise.
Well we passed the torch to Boris Johnson and he burnt the lot down.
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Absolute and utter bull****.

Rightly or wrongly they thought they could overturn the result (a whole other debate that has been done to death). They miscalculated because they reasoned only a lunatic would force through a hard brexit, break international law etc. They underestimated (or overestimated, maybe both) Johnson.

But I've not seen one remainer say they'd rather see the country suffer than get their own way. The whole argument for remain was the country would be worse off, it wouldn't make any sense.

Whereas plenty of leavers, voters and politicians, stated it would be a "price worth paying" and similar nonsense.
 
newyddion said:
Corbyn and a soft brexit would have wiped the floor with the tories in 2019.. remainers wouldn’t have it. All or nothing, rather see the county burn than see compromise.
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🤣🤣🤣I voted labour in 2019 and I'm definitely a remainer. I'm not a natural labour voter but have done so in the last 3 because I don't want a Tory party leading the country,, they are basically corrupt. However natural Labor voter's trying to claim that Labor and Corbyn were rejected beccause of remainers not wanting a soft brexit, can do one. From what I was hearing and reading, people who were remainers many of them accepted the result and hoped for a soft brexit rather than a hard brexit which was obvious what the conservatives wanted by getting Corbyn to agree to a general election in 2019, the Tories knew they would win, the polls were saying it - Brexiteers were staying strong in their belief in it across all the main parties, including normally Labor voters so please don't blame remainers, have a look at your own parties involvement in that acceptance of a Tory offered election and the inevitable hard Brexit.
 
Got all the big calls right?

🤷‍♂️

In all seriousness, absolutely nothing really that they can solely claim is their doing.

I seem to increasingly notice the poor and pot-holed state of local roads and side streets recently too.
 
exeterboro said:
From what I was hearing and reading, people who were remainers many of them accepted the result and hoped for a soft brexit rather than a hard brexit
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Starmer painted Labour as the party of remain and countless Labour MPs said they would campaign against brexit despite representating 60-70% brexit constituents.

Brexit errs would have trusted a career long critic of the EU to deliver brexit over the failed London major who was historically pro brexit.

Blaming remainders, blaming brexiteers is also a load of nonsense. Labour MPs banging the drum for remain in leave areas are to blame. Corbyn campaigning for remain undermined him, he lost integrity and it gave credence to what his critics were throwing at him.
 
Jedi boro said:
It can be anything absolutely anythingeven a trivial one as I honestly can’t think of a single thing or part of this country they haven’t screwed up. In THIRTEEN years.

Even driving instructors are in strike.
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Easy mistake , but instructors are not on strike as they are not civil servants . Only Driving Examiners attached to one particular union (PCS) are on strike. Examiners work for the DVSA so are therefore civil servants
 
newyddion said:
Blaming remainders, blaming brexiteers is also a load of nonsense.
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Exactly,. The only good thing to come out of this is pherhaps and it's a big pherhaps is the generations to come learn from the the stupidities of the Brexit generations and we can bridge the divide to the EU from our common benefits and commonsense rather than over inflated jingoism from a little Islander mentality
 
steamtrain said:
1 st off I'm not a Tory , but letting you get your hands on your pension moneys instead of having to buy a policy . But thats it !
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My memory could be failing me but I think it was Steve Webb the Lib Dem Pensions Minister who brought this change during the coalition government so, if I’m right, even that wasn’t a purely Tory success story!
 
When the dust settles in a few years time, how do you think history will compare the government of the last 12 years with, say that of Thatcher? I grew up in the 70s and 80s and have witnessed the unwavering antipathy of large swathes of the population towards her specifically. However, there are also significant swathes on the other side of the fence who still idolise her. I have read about Thatcherism, but was probably too young during her time as PM to truly say I understood first hand what life under her was like. With Johnson and co, I can truly say I have lived through it and it has been pretty petrifying, the speed at which lies and corruption have almost become baked in to how we see our leadership. So much of our political system appeared to rely on the 'good chaps' theory, in that there was a degree of self regulation towards standards and conduct - that has simply gone now. The sleaze that contributed to Major's downfall wouldn't register these days. I always felt that Thatcher stood for something (whether you agreed with it is another question), but this lot stand for nothing at all. Power for power and open self enrichment. Nothing else.
 
exeterboro said:
... acceptance of a Tory offered election and the inevitable hard Brexit.
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I would love to know why Corbyn agreed to it. It was a minority government, about to crash out of the EU & as we now know then be hit by a bungled handling of the pandemic.

I guess we'll have to wait for the diaries to find out for sure but I can only think that there were sufficient Labour MPs that had indicated they would disobey any whip and vote for it to give it 2/3s of the vote, so Corbyn had the option of losing that vote & leading a very publicly divided party into an election 'he was running scared of' or pretending he was up for the fight & leading a less publicly divided party into it.
 
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