I'm against the death penalty

Yeah I would class it as justice if these two were swinging from a gallows.... along with all the others that murder kids
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
For me, if you are against the death penalty there should be no exceptions. When the subject is raised as in cases like this, I ask myself what would be gained from killing them and I can never find a justifiable answer.
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Millions saved through not paying the cost of their life time of imprisonment.
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Yeah I would class it as justice if these two were swinging from a gallows.... along with all the others that murder kids
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State sponsored murder is still murder. It's normal to have visceral feelings with cases like this but setting the moralistic argument aside, from a utilitarian point of view, ultimately countries with capital punishment make mistakes and innocent people get put to death by the state.
 
JonnyHistory said:
It costs more in America to kill a prisoner than it does to lock them up for life. It's also a quick way out for the convicted.
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Because of the time they are on death row - and its costs - and the cost of the appeals/interventions.
In the case of those in the OP, I stick by my response.
 
There is no justification for the death penalty, not one.

It doesn't save money, and saving a few quid is pretty poor justification for the death penalty.

It does not act as a deterrent and this is easily proven.

You can never garuantee the guilt of someone, again easily proven.

It is rehashed by folks in favour because of the emotional reaction these cases engender. Again a poor reason to reinstate it.
 
indeedido said:
Because of the time they are on death row - and its costs - and the cost of the appeals/interventions.
In the case of those in the OP, I stick by my response.
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We would have all those in the uk too. Our membership of the European convention on human rights does not allow us to execute prisoners.
 
Make them sit in a room alone, with nothing to occupy their minds other than thoughts of what they did as they stare at four walls. That’s gotta be worse than death anyway, but at least when we get it wrong we can go back on it.
 
It's the cost of the drugs as well. Companies charge stupid prices for them as they don't want to be associated with state murder.
This was is a big aspect (except under Trump) there has been no federal executions for a few decades in the states.
 
Laughing said:
There is no justification for the death penalty, not one.

It doesn't save money, and saving a few quid is pretty poor justification for the death penalty.

It does not act as a deterrent and this is easily proven.

You can never garuantee the guilt of someone, again easily proven.

It is rehashed by folks in favour because of the emotional reaction these cases engender. Again a poor reason to reinstate it.
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I hear those arguments and agree with some.
Yet I can see absolutely no reason not to have it for the case in the OP.
I'm genuinely interested why you think they are worth supporting for the rest of their lives?

For the record I am not sure where I absolutely stand on DP.
 
JonnyHistory said:
It's the cost of the drugs as well. Companies charge stupid prices for them as they don't want to be associated with state murder.
This was is a big aspect (except under Trump) there has been no federal executions for a few decades in the states.
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I was not aware of this. (y)
 
indeedido said:
I hear those arguments and agree with some.
Yet I can see absolutely no reason not to have it for the case in the OP.
I'm genuinely interested why you think they are worth supporting for the rest of their lives?

For the record I am not sure where I absolutely stand on DP.
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Because you can't make exceptions for individual cases, justice should not be selective.

Murder is murder, wether done by the public or the state. Yes we can try and create a moral argument (eye for eye) but ultimately you are still taking a life. The UK has killed innocent people in the name of justice, as has every other state with capital punishment. Just that risk, that innocents will be put to death is enough for me to warrant not being a capital punishment country.
 
indeedido said:
I'm genuinely interested why you think they are worth supporting for the rest of their lives?
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Killing people is wrong.

I think we can agree on that. I also believe that the act of killing another person is something that would haunt the killer whether legally sanctioned or not. I will leave the debate with the thoughts of Albert Pierrepoint (the last English Executioner) on the efficacy of the death penalty: [The Death Penalty...]
... is said to be a deterrent. I cannot agree. There have been murders since the beginning of time, and we shall go on looking for deterrents until the end of time. If death were a deterrent, I might be expected to know. It is I who have faced them last, young lads and girls, working men, grandmothers. I have been amazed to see the courage with which they take that walk into the unknown. It did not deter them then, and it had not deterred them when they committed what they were convicted for. All the men and women whom I have faced at that final moment convince me that in what I have done I have not prevented a single murder.[
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indeedido said:
I hear those arguments and agree with some.
Yet I can see absolutely no reason not to have it for the case in the OP.
I'm genuinely interested why you think they are worth supporting for the rest of their lives?

For the record I am not sure where I absolutely stand on DP.
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Can hardly believe this thread. Moaning about the costs of keeping those found guilty alive.

The reason we don't have the death penalty is that the state kept executing innocent people. Hard to come back from that!
 
Muttley said:
Killing people is wrong.

I think we can agree on that. I also believe that the act of killing another person is something that would haunt the killer whether legally sanctioned or not. I will leave the debate with the thoughts of Albert Pierrepoint (the last English Executioner) on the efficacy of the death penalty: [The Death Penalty...]
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I do largely accept it not to be a deterrent.
But I also don't believe the 2 people in the OP can or will be rehabilitated.
Or deserve the opportunity to be so.

I do accept that mistakes were made in the past and accept mistakes night be possible in the future.
But there are different penalties and sentences for different definitions/categories of serious crimes.
I ask again why with complete proof of guilt and the obscene extent of their crimes, why could these people not be executed.

atypical's answer intrigues me. They don't deserve to be executed; far tougher to leave them together in an empty room to talk only of what they did.
By definition it leans toward giving them the cruellest penalty.

As I say I struggle to be definitive about the Death Penalty.
 
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