How many of you are still in bed with Musk and Trump?

JM14 said:
Twitter could go bust overnight and it wouldn’t make any difference to him (apart from to his ego)

Football is full of money from very questionable sources, why aren’t you boycotting football? Wouldn’t that make a bigger difference? Do you not give a **** about where the money comes from that runs football?
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So is everybody's wages everything we buy or use, but the fact that the man is openly pro neo - nazi and an ultra far right half wit makes me want to ignore him and not use or buy his products.

He has poor morals, and acts with very poor taste, and lately with his daft dancing and jumping around he looks a stupid looking cnut. For a man who could do good for the world its something that should be at the least questioned.

But I suppose it doesn't really matter, does it.
 
Where does it stop though?

Do you stop using the services of companies who use Twitter to engage with customers or advertise there?

What about your pensions and investments, do they hold shares in Tesla? Anyone with an S&P tracker, Baillie Gifford fund, Scottish Mortgage Trust (7.5% in Space X, 2% Tesla)?

AWS are used by Tesla, and by Twitter. GCS is also used by Twitter.

Do you stop using Amazon and Google because of this?

That’s just scratching the surface.

Posting on a message board continually telling other people they are wrong and are Nazi defenders/supporters/whatever achieves anything other than further division. It’s like saying Brexit voters are thick, it serves no purpose.

And particularly when the some on this thread (and others) are likely to be indirectly supporting Musk through investments or using firms acting as suppliers to his.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Where does it stop though?

Do you stop using the services of companies who use Twitter to engage with customers or advertise there?

What about your pensions and investments, do they hold shares in Tesla? Anyone with an S&P tracker, Baillie Gifford fund, Scottish Mortgage Trust (7.5% in Space X, 2% Tesla)?

AWS are used by Tesla, and by Twitter. GCS is also used by Twitter.

Do you stop using Amazon and Google because of this?

That’s just scratching the surface.

Posting on a message board continually telling other people they are wrong and are Nazi defenders/supporters/whatever achieves anything other than further division. It’s like saying Brexit voters are thick, it serves no purpose.

And particularly when the some on this thread (and others) are likely to be indirectly supporting Musk through investments or using firms acting as suppliers to his.
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So what you're saying is that if you can't be 100% a conscious ethical consumer then you shouldn't bother at all ?
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Where does it stop though?

Do you stop using the services of companies who use Twitter to engage with customers or advertise there?

What about your pensions and investments, do they hold shares in Tesla? Anyone with an S&P tracker, Baillie Gifford fund, Scottish Mortgage Trust (7.5% in Space X, 2% Tesla)?

AWS are used by Tesla, and by Twitter. GCS is also used by Twitter.

Do you stop using Amazon and Google because of this?

That’s just scratching the surface.

Posting on a message board continually telling other people they are wrong and are Nazi defenders/supporters/whatever achieves anything other than further division. It’s like saying Brexit voters are thick, it serves no purpose.

And particularly when the some on this thread (and others) are likely to be indirectly supporting Musk through investments or using firms acting as suppliers to his.
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I think you're wrong here. The main point is twitter is spreading the fascist dogma. For me it's not about hurting the guy who got his money from the proceeds of apartheid. It won't hurt him financially. But it will stop one channel where that dogma is spread. It'll remove a surface of fascist misinformation. And that would be a good thing
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Where does it stop though?

Do you stop using the services of companies who use Twitter to engage with customers or advertise there?

What about your pensions and investments, do they hold shares in Tesla? Anyone with an S&P tracker, Baillie Gifford fund, Scottish Mortgage Trust (7.5% in Space X, 2% Tesla)?

AWS are used by Tesla, and by Twitter. GCS is also used by Twitter.

Do you stop using Amazon and Google because of this?

That’s just scratching the surface.

Posting on a message board continually telling other people they are wrong and are Nazi defenders/supporters/whatever achieves anything other than further division. It’s like saying Brexit voters are thick, it serves no purpose.

And particularly when the some on this thread (and others) are likely to be indirectly supporting Musk through investments or using firms acting as suppliers to his.
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Not so sure myself I must admit, he can easily become yesterdays man. Im sure we can do better in the long run. One things for sure he wont change our Labour Govt for 5 year no matter how he tries.
I agree some read the stuff put out and agree with it and vote the far right in, will we lose democracy, I think its now a possibility.
 
mercury_redstone7 said:
So is everybody's wages everything we buy or use, but the fact that the man is openly pro neo - nazi and an ultra far right half wit makes me want to ignore him and not use or buy his products.

He has poor morals, and acts with very poor taste, and lately with his daft dancing and jumping around he looks a stupid looking cnut. For a man who could do good for the world its something that should be at the least questioned.

But I suppose it doesn't really matter, does it.
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Yes I agree with all of that, the guy is a pr*ck, no denying that at all. Point I’m making is I refuse to go down the line of just boycotting everything I don’t like.
1. It’s just not possible
2. As a normal person what I do makes no difference
3. It would make me a hypocrite if I just pick and choose what to boycott
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
So what you're saying is that if you can't be 100% a conscious ethical consumer then you shouldn't bother at all ?
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No one is saying that, but just don’t slate others for not following your lead (not you specifically just this thread in general) in the odd thing you now decide to boycott

Someone could come along and slate you for partaking in the mindless slaughter of animals for food, that’s a way, way worse thing to be taking an active part in than using twitter

Or slate you for destroying the planet because you regularly fly or drive a pertol car

If people really want to take a stand then focus on that, it’s a much bigger issue and you will make a much bigger difference.

Just don’t pretend by boycotting a social media platform you’re doing good for the world and anyone who doesn’t follow must have lower moral standards than you
 
SmallTown said:
I think you're wrong here. The main point is twitter is spreading the fascist dogma. For me it's not about hurting the guy who got his money from the proceeds of apartheid. It won't hurt him financially. But it will stop one channel where that dogma is spread. It'll remove a surface of fascist misinformation. And that would be a good thing
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He’s more likely to be stopped quicker if his wealth is diminished, as this has a knock on impact on other people’s wealth - and eventually those people will demand he changes.

Murdoch, Bezos, Zuckerberg et al - look at their reach as well. One or more of them will be next.
 
JM14 said:
Yes I agree with all of that, the guy is a pr*ck, no denying that at all. Point I’m making is I refuse to go down the line of just boycotting everything I don’t like.
1. It’s just not possible
2. As a normal person what I do makes no difference
3. It would make me a hypocrite if I just pick and choose what to boycott
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I can see that you feel worthless in the grand scheme of things I think we all can, its just a case of plodding on until we die I suppose,as nothing really matters. I bet my fore fathers who seen workmates killed in dangerous working situations didnt form a union as the owners were too powerful so it was pointless or people who noticed smoking killed people friends neighbours and relatives , must have thought well we all have to die anyhow, no point in attempting to change things.

My uncle who was killed in the invasion of Italy was carrying out a pointless exercise (not that he had any choice) after all the fascists and those German socialist cant be that bad and the Jews must be a bad sort for them to go on about them.
 
You do what you can.

Charities are run on people donating pennies at a time - a lot of pennies add up to a sizeable sum, enough to make a difference.

Same with Lottery, a £1 ticket is a drop in the ocean but it all adds up to a huge sum.

A single bullet won't win the war for Ukraine but enough of them....

Nobody is suggesting that those who don't donate a penny or a £1 or a bullet are wrong 'uns, but those that do are absolutely on the right side.
 
red_harrington said:
You do what you can.

Charities are run on people donating pennies at a time - a lot of pennies add up to a sizeable sum, enough to make a difference.

Same with Lottery, a £1 ticket is a drop in the ocean but it all adds up to a huge sum.

A single bullet won't win the war for Ukraine but enough of them....

Nobody is suggesting that those who don't donate a penny or a £1 or a bullet are wrong 'uns, but those that do are absolutely on the right side.
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They are not wrong uns but are not on the right side? That doesn’t make sense.

I agree with the rest of what you say, do what you can. My point is there is a spectrum, everyone is somewhere on that spectrum - but if links to Twitter aren’t banned on here, do you stop using this site as well or do you accept it as the best place to converse with other Boro fans?

It’s so complicated. I think the vast majority agree what Musk did was utterly abhorrent, I haven’t used Twitter for 10 years +, I’ve never had a Tesla, as far as I know my pension invests in corporate bonds and I don’t hold any collectives so no chance of inadvertently benefiting Musk in any way that I know of.
 
mercury_redstone7 said:
Not so sure myself I must admit, he can easily become yesterdays man. Im sure we can do better in the long run. One things for sure he wont change our Labour Govt for 5 year no matter how he tries.
I agree some read the stuff put out and agree with it and vote the far right in, will we lose democracy, I think its now a possibility.
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I don’t think we will in this country, I genuinely think there are too many decent people and despite recent attempts to stir up division and hatred younger people are so much more accepting.
 
JM14 said:
Yes I agree with all of that, the guy is a pr*ck, no denying that at all. Point I’m making is I refuse to go down the line of just boycotting everything I don’t like.
1. It’s just not possible
2. As a normal person what I do makes no difference
3. It would make me a hypocrite if I just pick and choose what to boycott
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I do see where you are coming from.
It’s your 2nd point that, I think, is open to a good discussion.

There is a well known trope - ‘for things to change, first I must change’
The other difference it makes - is to the individual who made the choice to stop.
They feel good doing something they think is positive.

Given Twitter’s rules - it’s also kind of interesting that people think they can trust it with little to no governance.

Yes, hypocrisy is common to everyone.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
He’s more likely to be stopped quicker if his wealth is diminished, as this has a knock on impact on other people’s wealth - and eventually those people will demand he changes.

Murdoch, Bezos, Zuckerberg et al - look at their reach as well. One or more of them will be next.
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He's a billionaire. It would be extremely hard to diminish his wealth but you can boycott twitter and it'll erode his power. And one person can make a difference. As soon as people stop, websites stop sharing links, advertiser's take their money away and the fascist dogma just gets shared with other fascists
 
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