Hi there! For other like me (who live under a rock) a brief Harry/Megan catch up please?

[MolteniArcore]

Meghan Markle and Harry are attention-seeking vanity whores.

I find it so interesting that blokes get so angry about Meghan and Harry. Why the anger?

 

[sherlock]

Basically, Piers Morgan wanted to shag Meghan. She refused and ghosted him and he made it his life's work to turn everyone against her. His mates in the right wing press were only too happy to oblige as they are all racist. Add to that the inherent racism within the Royal Family and it was a powder keg waiting to go off. Harry had already seen his mother killed by parasitic press so decided to take his family to the other side of the world for safety. The Royal Family cut him off financially so they are now undertaking other ventures to earn their money. Piers Morgan continues in his quest but it has cost him his career and this has simply made him even more bitter. The end.

 

[MolteniArcore]

I find the fact, with all the s**t that's going on in the world, that someone should find this situation of any interest ,really sad. Pathetic in fact.

You could say the same on loads of things though. Why are people interested in the next Avatar film with so much going on in the world? Why are people bothered about the Netflix series Wednesday? Why are people bothered about the test match?

Thankfully human brains have evolved sufficiently so we can be concerned about Ukraine, cost of living crisis, Tory corruption, the World Cup etc but also find a Netflix documentary interesting at the same time.

 

[MolteniArcore]

Basically, Piers Morgan wanted to shag Meghan. She refused and ghosted him and he made it his life's work to turn everyone against her. His mates in the right wing press were only too happy to oblige as they are all racist. Add to that the inherent racism within the Royal Family and it was a powder keg waiting to go off. Harry had already seen his mother killed by parasitic press so decided to take his family to the other side of the world for safety. The Royal Family cut him off financially so they are now undertaking other ventures to earn their money. Piers Morgan continues in his quest but it has cost him his career and this has simply made him even more bitter. The end.

He really took it bad that he couldn't be friends with a princess. He's turned into a massive snowflake over it - it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[1finny]

I've not watched it, and probably won't, but I feel like I have from all the crap I've read on Twitter.

But, if we accept this mixture of facts and assumptions and start from there, then I guess it might explain some things:
- Meghan is treated very differently to Kate, like worlds apart, sometimes as the polar opposite
- The UK is partially racist, whether people want to accept that or not, it's undeniable. Old white people saying the UK is not racist does not mean this is true, nor are they in a good position to comment.
- The royal family is clearly very messed up, like a lot of families, and probably stuck in their ways a lot more than most families
- Harry's had a tough life in regard to what's happened to him, what the media did to him (and his mother) etc, just because he's loaded likely does not make up for this, his life has been and still is extremely restricted and at risk. I'd much rather have my life than his for example.
- Harry is never going to be king, so doesn't seem to see the point in being an accessory to that, which is fair enough in my eyes
- They are entitled to go and live wherever they're eligible to, they will get far less stick over there, and be safer long term, I expect
- Harry still probably gets funding from the UK taxpayer, but to be honest, I think he deserves this more than any of them, even though he's detached from the RF. Just like any kid, he would still likely get decent handouts, his dad is the king after all. I expect he's not pocketing anywhere near as much as his old man, or the family on his brother's side
- Yes, he dislikes the media, and some might see that as contradictory by doing the Neflix thing and interviews etc, but he's clearly only doing this to provide some balance.
- There is a massive difference between being hounded by the media, who don't like you, to actively taking part in media which aims to show some balance and which is fully authorised and not unwantedly infringing. Of course he's going to get paid for this, why wouldn't he.
- To me, the Megan courtesy thing just looked like she was taking the **** out of herself for being clueless, I have zero doubt that she meant any disrespect to the Queen, and it was filmed about a year before the Queen died.
- The press will always stir up crap, and some really have a hard-on for the royal family, especially the right wing media, which is most of it, so it is no surprise that they go after him/ them with an unbalanced view, and the public lap it up.

Crikey Andy
Really good balanced report there

If you want more clicks tho - add a few assumptions and a bit of bile.........

 

[xxlshirts_fit_all]

Man upsets a business that is at the forefront of the aristocratic privilege and also upsets media because he won’t bow down to their agenda…

Said business and media turn on him and the public suck it all up …

All the while there’s a corrupt govt and cost of living crisis being overshadowed by the ‘constitutional crisis’…

 

[atypical_boro]

I find the fact, with all the s**t that's going on in the world, that someone should find this situation of any interest ,really sad. Pathetic in fact.

Surely now is the time it is even more under the microscope? If we’re looking at ways to make society fairer?

 

[atypical_boro]

I've not watched it, and probably won't, but I feel like I have from all the crap I've read on Twitter.

But, if we accept this mixture of facts and assumptions and start from there, then I guess it might explain some things:
- Meghan is treated very differently to Kate, like worlds apart, sometimes as the polar opposite
- The UK is partially racist, whether people want to accept that or not, it's undeniable. Old white people saying the UK is not racist does not mean this is true, nor are they in a good position to comment.
- The royal family is clearly very messed up, like a lot of families, and probably stuck in their ways a lot more than most families
- Harry's had a tough life in regard to what's happened to him, what the media did to him (and his mother) etc, just because he's loaded likely does not make up for this, his life has been and still is extremely restricted and at risk. I'd much rather have my life than his for example.
- Harry is never going to be king, so doesn't seem to see the point in being an accessory to that, which is fair enough in my eyes
- They are entitled to go and live wherever they're eligible to, they will get far less stick over there, and be safer long term, I expect
- Harry still probably gets funding from the UK taxpayer, but to be honest, I think he deserves this more than any of them, even though he's detached from the RF. Just like any kid, he would still likely get decent handouts, his dad is the king after all. I expect he's not pocketing anywhere near as much as his old man, or the family on his brother's side
- Yes, he dislikes the media, and some might see that as contradictory by doing the Neflix thing and interviews etc, but he's clearly only doing this to provide some balance.
- There is a massive difference between being hounded by the media, who don't like you, to actively taking part in media which aims to show some balance and which is fully authorised and not unwantedly infringing. Of course he's going to get paid for this, why wouldn't he.
- To me, the Megan courtesy thing just looked like she was taking the **** out of herself for being clueless, I have zero doubt that she meant any disrespect to the Queen, and it was filmed about a year before the Queen died.
- The press will always stir up crap, and some really have a hard-on for the royal family, especially the right wing media, which is most of it, so it is no surprise that they go after him/ them with an unbalanced view, and the public lap it up.

I have watched the first episode. I’d say you’re basically spot on in your summary.

 

[Soutra]

- The UK is partially racist, whether people want to accept that or not, it's undeniable.

If people don't want to accept the UK is partially racist, it obviously is deniable. Saying something is undeniable does not make it undeniable.

Personally, I have no interest in the Royal Family, I've always been a Republican. However I know most people are supporters of the monarchy, so I'm in a fairly small minority. I have even less interest in the Sussexes, and their life and times. Unfortunately at the moment, it's hard to avoid them, however hard I try.

 

[JM14]

Basically, Piers Morgan wanted to shag Meghan. She refused and ghosted him and he made it his life's work to turn everyone against her. His mates in the right wing press were only too happy to oblige as they are all racist. Add to that the inherent racism within the Royal Family and it was a powder keg waiting to go off. Harry had already seen his mother killed by parasitic press so decided to take his family to the other side of the world for safety. The Royal Family cut him off financially so they are now undertaking other ventures to earn their money. Piers Morgan continues in his quest but it has cost him his career and this has simply made him even more bitter. The end.

Sums it up quite well actually

 

[MolteniArcore]

Thank you for ignoring the first part of my post.

Wow, you are angry. Dude, it's Friday. England are playing tomorrow. Don't get yourself worked up on internet forums over people who you will never meet and don't really effect your life. Get angry about climate change or something useful.

No need to throw insults around either - it doesn't make me feel bad and I don't find it even slightly offensive. But if it makes you feel better then go for it. I can take a few bootlicker comments if it boosts your ego or makes you happier.

Have a lovely Friday man x

 

[Nano]

How much is a lifetime of 24x7 private protection for you, your wife and your children, so potentially 3 security details in three locations, plus another for the family home. What is his income? He didn't ask to be born 'royal', he didn't ask to be pushed into the public spotlight at and cruelly made to play out his grief in front of the world. I've had the choice on how much to involve my 7 and 9 year old children (at the time) at their mums funeral, the idea of parading them like that is shocking. So I feel empathy for the guy, I understand why he's seemingly angry at the whole life. But he never asked for it. He's seemingly rejected this life he didn't ask for, so why should he financially suffer because of it?

He got some income inherited from his Mum, but IIRC it wasn't the kind of money for a lifetime security detail. He has to find an income stream, if he's monitising through seemingly attacking the very institution that have harmed his happiness and mental health then that is his choice. The royal system cannot be allowed to exist free from critiscism, purely because some people slavishly adore it.

Why does he need 24x7 private protection? If they were being truthful about wanting to live their own private life then they can do that. If they withdraw from public life then interest in them goes away. They are just celebrities. I'm sure many celebrities want 24x7 private protection but don't have it because it isn't needed. They have the level of security that is required.

They aren't being truthful. You don't need that level of security if you stop telling everyone where you are going to be and where. They also don't dislike the media, they are obsessed with the media but they want to be able to control it and they can't do that in the UK so they do TV deals and interviews on US TV where they control the narrative.

I'm just never going to believe anyone that claims to want privacy while being such an attention seeker. You can't have your cake and eat it.

But, if we accept this mixture of facts and assumptions and start from there, then I guess it might explain some things:
- Meghan is treated very differently to Kate, like worlds apart, sometimes as the polar opposite

That is probably true now but it wasn't initially. She refused to play ball so they turned on her. Once that starts selling papers and getting views they run with it. The media don't have an agenda (except for Piers Morgan) other than making money and controversy sells more.

 

[sherlock]

If people don't want to accept the UK is partially racist, it obviously is deniable. Saying something is undeniable does not make it undeniable.

Huh?

Just because people don't accept something doesn't mean it's not true. You'd have to be an absolute idiot to deny that racism is a major issue in the UK today.

 

[sherlock]

That is probably true now but it wasn't initially. She refused to play ball so they turned on her. Once that starts selling papers and getting views they run with it. The media don't have an agenda (except for Piers Morgan) other than making money and controversy sells more.

You can't seriously believe that the primarily right wing press don't have an agenda?

Dear me.....

 

[Nano]

You can't seriously believe that the primarily right wing press don't have an agenda?

Dear me.....

Yeh, of course they do in general. I meant against Markle. Their agenda is still primarily making money whether that is directly for the paper or indirectly getting political results that favour the owners. The right wing press are very pro-Royal. She was part of that positive reporting until she stopped giving them what they want and then there was more money treating her like an outsider and not a real royal.

 

[sherlock]

Yeh, of course they do in general. I meant against Markle. Their agenda is still primarily making money whether that is directly for the paper or indirectly getting political results that favour the owners. The right wing press are very pro-Royal. She was part of that positive reporting until she stopped giving them what they want and then there was more money treating her like an outsider and not a real royal.

Fair enough, I misunderstood what you meant

 

[MolteniArcore]

Why does he need 24x7 private protection?

It's made clear why in the documentary.

They are just celebrities.

Sadly they aren't just celebrities in the eyes of the press - they are still Royals.

Just imagine what would happen if Harry was kidnapped or something? There would be hell on. It doesn't matter if he's in the Royal Family or not - he's the King's son. He's paying for his own protection and he needs to make money to pay for that - as such I don't have a problem with him using Netflix for that purpose.

Like the Royals or not we have them. He is Charles son. That has ramifications to the country. Fair enough if people don't like them or don't want to watch the Netflix stuff, but there is a need for security above and beyond what David Beckham would need.

 

[Osboro]

But you've commented...twice

Ha!!
I've commented on the commentators

 

[MolteniArcore]

Yeh, of course they do in general. I meant against Markle. Their agenda is still primarily making money whether that is directly for the paper or indirectly getting political results that favour the owners. The right wing press are very pro-Royal. She was part of that positive reporting until she stopped giving them what they want and then there was more money treating her like an outsider and not a real royal.

I would suggest they do have an agenda against Meghan. If you look at the coverage she has received it is pretty obvious.

The 'not playing ball' stuff is from the media, they write that. But even before she could be accused of not playing ball she was getting headlines and being harassed, mainly because she was mixed race. Stuff like 'Straight outta Compton' and saying she was from the ganglands of the US...

 

[JM14]

Why does he need 24x7 private protection? If they were being truthful about wanting to live their own private life then they can do that. If they withdraw from public life then interest in them goes away. They are just celebrities. I'm sure many celebrities want 24x7 private protection but don't have it because it isn't needed. They have the level of security that is required.

They aren't being truthful. You don't need that level of security if you stop telling everyone where you are going to be and where. They also don't dislike the media, they are obsessed with the media but they want to be able to control it and they can't do that in the UK so they do TV deals and interviews on US TV where they control the narrative.

I'm just never going to believe anyone that claims to want privacy while being such an attention seeker. You can't have your cake and eat it.


That is probably true now but it wasn't initially. She refused to play ball so they turned on her. Once that starts selling papers and getting views they run with it. The media don't have an agenda (except for Piers Morgan) other than making money and controversy sells more.

You really think the threat just goes away? For people in that position it never goes away, he is part of one of the most powerful families in the world, he could withdraw from public life entirely and will still be in significantly more danger than 99.9% of the population.

Is it not reasonable to allow the press some access into your life without being followed by hundreds of photographers every time they step out the front door, all whilst the most vile things imaginable are being written about his wife. Anyone that lives their lives In the media shouldn’t be subject to that